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Ibenta wrote:I did not claim that he can't have a Party. I did not even claim that he can't have his flawed platform. I only implored him to change it. This is not a matter of politics nor is it a matter of ideological difference. His platform objectively infringes upon basic democratic principles and even interferes with several points of the Federal Constitution.

Why should he change it? Because you don't like the platforms. You may find some to he worrisome. I will give you that. But you choose to step away from the Senate. So now you need to rely on the members of the Senate to act accordingly.

If areas of his platform infringes upon basic democratic principles and even interferes with several points of the Federal Constitution than Senators will either vote his legislation down or vote to amend the Constitution to support the platforms. All in all everyone is looking out for the best interests of the region.

Viridus, Gagium, New inglaterra, and Prritish timezone

Ibenta

West Phoenicia wrote:Why should he change it? Because you don't like the platforms. You may find some to he worrisome. I will give you that. But you choose to step away from the Senate. So now you need to rely on the members of the Senate to act accordingly.

If areas of his platform infringes upon basic democratic principles and even interferes with several points of the Federal Constitution than Senators will either vote his legislation down or vote to amend the Constitution to support the platforms. All in all everyone is looking out for the best interests of the region.

Excuse me, but I am not your slave nor is any citizen to their Senate. I do not rely on you, and in fact, I did not ask you to do anything. I addressed New Ingla. Know your place, Senator West Phoenicia. As a member and indeed citizen of the Federation, I reserve the right to consider you my public servant. The Senate may indeed constitutionally be the most powerful branch of the federal government, but it is the people whom you serve--the people who ultimately control you. Again, know your place.

Furthermore, as a responsible citizen of this region, I will partake in my civic duties to express my views--as is my constitutional right--on this matter. I will urge my Senator to change his views, as is just for the constituent, and if he does not--as he very much has the right to do--I will reserve my freedom to debate him. Understood?

West Phoenicia wrote:All in all everyone is looking out for the best interests of the region.

Saving this for next time the CP is wantonly accused of doing otherwise.

Ulrech, Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, and 1 otherPrritish timezone

Fluvannia wrote:Saving this for next time the CP is wantonly accused of doing otherwise.

I never accused them of not doing the best for the region. Never wholly accused the CP of anything, i directed points at certain CP members. And if you seem to think I hate the CP so much, i wouldn't have voted one in as President🤣🤣

But it was members of the CP who choose to downtrodden myself and the ADP.

Viridus and Prritish timezone

Ibenta wrote:Excuse me, but I am not your slave nor is any citizen to their Senate. I do not rely on you, and in fact, I did not ask you to do anything. I addressed New Ingla. Know your place, Senator West Phoenicia. As a member and indeed citizen of the Federation, I reserve the right to consider you my public servant. The Senate may indeed constitutionally be the most powerful branch of the federal government, but it is the people whom you serve--the people who ultimately control you. Again, know your place.

Furthermore, as a responsible citizen of this region, I will partake in my civic duties to express my views--as is my constitutional right--on this matter. I will urge my Senator to change his views, as is just for the constituent, and if he does not--as he very much has the right to do--I will reserve my freedom to debate him. Understood?

Well you being cordial didn't last too long eh?. Never said you were a slave not did I suppress you from speaking.
But life is a two way street. The same rights you have, everyone has. And I will reserve the right to support fellow citizens and senators from people who think they can dictate demands.

And thanks for ignoring the part where I said you should comeback.

Understood?

Viridus, Gagium, New inglaterra, and Prritish timezone

New inglaterra

Ibenta wrote:I did not claim that he can't have a Party. I did not even claim that he can't have his flawed platform. I only implored him to change it. This is not a matter of politics nor is it a matter of ideological difference. His platform objectively infringes upon basic democratic principles and even interferes with several points of the Federal Constitution.

What specifically is anti-democratic?

Viridus, Gagium, and Prritish timezone

New inglaterra

Ibenta wrote:As a former member of the government, It does not give me joy to say that your platform is one of the most dangerous set of proposals I have read from a political party. Believe me when I say that I do not speak as a member of the Conservative Party here. My time in regional politics is over, and I have no particular desire to actively engage the Senate once more. But if I must defend this Federation, I will. I implore you to reconsider your platform. Please do what is right and not what will serve to further your career as a politician.

And as far as I think, the NPPís platform is more pro democracy than anything youíve ever done. You constantly derided Senators who did not join a major party and dismissed anyone who wanted to express opinions to the contrary of yours as being mere idiots or power hungry mad men.

Viridus, Gagium, West Phoenicia, and Prritish timezone

New inglaterra

West Phoenicia wrote:7 lines of sentences and you didn't give one example of their platform that has afflicted you.

No because he does this all the time. He doesnít like something, writes a 30 page essay saying he doesnít like it, and then proceeds to keep saying he doesnít like it without actually saying why.

Viridus, Gagium, and Prritish timezone

How come Prritish timezone is active for the first time in the three months he was here just to like the same posts New inglaterra did?

Furbish Islands wrote:How come Prritish timezone is active for the first time in the three months he was here just to like the same posts New inglaterra did?

Did these guys have a debate about an online nation simulator at like 3 in the morning?

Admirable..Iíll need to read up tbh

New inglaterra

Furbish Islands wrote:How come Prritish timezone is active for the first time in the three months he was here just to like the same posts New inglaterra did?

Iím friends with Prritish IRL and I texted him to get off his ass and help out. He took that as ďlike my postsĒ so I guess Iíll take it?

Viridus and Greater bastion

New inglaterra

Gagium wrote:Did these guys have a debate about an online nation simulator at like 3 in the morning?

Admirable..Iíll need to read up tbh

Nah itís just Ibenta being Ibenta

Viridus, Gagium, and Greater bastion

Ahh I see some people are against political discourse no wonder thereís rarely debate in the Senate

Viridus, Gagium, and Greater bastion

Gagium wrote:Did these guys have a debate about an online nation simulator at like 3 in the morning?

Admirable..Iíll need to read up tbh

I'm Aussie. Was my night time.lol

New Waldensia, Viridus, Gagium, and Greater bastion

New inglaterra wrote:Nah itís just Ibenta being Ibenta

Bleh..Iíd youíre going to have 3AM arguments at least make them interesting

Furbish Islands, Viridus, and Greater bastion

New inglaterra wrote:Iím friends with Prritish IRL and I texted him to get off his ass and help out. He took that as ďlike my postsĒ so I guess Iíll take it?

Why is he not in the WA? And why are you only texting him now, not during the election or any other time you had an argument? And why does he not have discord?

Furbish Islands wrote:Why is he not in the WA? And why are you only texting him now, not during the election or any other time you had an argument? And why does he not have discord?

Easy there champ

New inglaterra wrote:Nah itís just Ibenta being Ibenta

You can say BiG bAd IbEnTa GoInG oN aNoThEr DrUnKeN rAnT all you want he does have a point, and I agree with him.

Ulrech, Viridus, Gagium, and Ibenta

Furbish Islands wrote:You can say BiG bAd IbEnTa GoInG oN aNoThEr DrUnKeN rAnT all you want he does have a point, and I agree with him.

Ibenta's "drunken rants" are more thought provocing than most of the stuff in the debate chamber

The litvionian islands

Hello, are there any special rules in this Region I need to know?

The litvionian islands wrote:Hello, are there any special rules in this Region I need to know?

These are a good start;

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The litvionian islands

West Phoenicia wrote:These are a good start;

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Thanks

Furbish Islands, Viridus, Gagium, and Greater bastion

New inglaterra

Furbish Islands wrote:You can say BiG bAd IbEnTa GoInG oN aNoThEr DrUnKeN rAnT all you want he does have a point, and I agree with him.

Let him say his point instead of vague disagreement?

New inglaterra

Ulrech wrote:Ahh I see some people are against political discourse no wonder thereís rarely debate in the Senate

Ibentaís rants arenít debate. He just throws out a vague point and doesnít do anything to defend it.

Viridus, Gagium, and Greater bastion

New inglaterra wrote:Ibentaís rants arenít debate. He just throws out a vague point and doesnít do anything to defend it.

Kinda like the Senate except people donít even throw vague points out

Viridus, Gagium, New inglaterra, and Greater bastion

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