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Libervalley wrote:Wrong, the community and charities should. The government should help only as a last resort.

Ibenta wrote:Lmao. Do I even have to point out how unreasonable this policy subscription is? It's ideologically consistent with your beliefs, sure, but it's also insane.

I also disagree. They should get a job themselves, because I'm to selfish to want to give my money to anyone else.

Viridus, Gagium, and Greater bastion

Ibenta wrote:Lmao. Do I even have to point out how unreasonable this policy subscription is? It's ideologically consistent with your beliefs, sure, but it's also insane.

Shhh, he's busy flexing on the poor.

Gagium and Greater bastion

Ibenta

Liberated American Provinces wrote:Shhh, he's busy flexing on the poor.

Yes. He's dunking on me. I should at least be able to holler, though. What? Did the corporations buy the rights to that as well?

Liberated American Provinces, Gagium, and Greater bastion

*looks at poll results*
Why is the 15/16/17 year old British girl/guy want everyone to learn Spanish?

Guys, there was a girl fight at mda! Melissa chipped off Jennifer's nail!

Libervalley wrote:Wrong, the community and charities should. The government should help only as a last resort.

What if the community chooses to elect a government that will help?

Gagium and New inglaterra

Baltimare state

Otira wrote:What if the community chooses to elect a government that will help?

Then the government should jelp

Ibenta wrote:Yes. He's dunking on me. I should at least be able to holler, though. What? Did the corporations buy the rights to that as well?

Of course they have. Why would corporations allow you to do anything freely? Silly peasant.

Furbish Islands wrote:Why does everyone I know who says English should be the world only know English and nothing else?

Furbish Islands wrote:*looks at poll results*
Why is the 15/16/17 year old British girl/guy want everyone to learn Spanish?

What do you in your infinite wisdom think of the poll since apparently everyone else is an imbecile?

Kleveria

Huvakia wrote:My point in highlighting lack of financial stability was not to imply that this was as serious as some of the other examples. Responsibility does rest with the parents in these cases (an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure) and this is exactly why I believe this decision should remain in their hands. The question at hand isn't the morality, or responsibility involved with getting pregnant. Regardless of how the pregnancy occurred if the parent recognizes that they're incapable of providing and has the child anyway, they are knowingly condemning the child to potential lifelong suffering. Situations can change and improve or they can get worse, meaningful movement in the real world is incredibly difficult. If you're a person who can barely take care of themselves is it morally responsible to bring a child into the world knowing that they will likely spend their days destitute and hungry?

Consequences aren't solely the burden of the child either, further economic detriment by carrying the child to term can occur as the mother looses productivity and mobility in the workplace, employment may become jeopardized. If it is maintained, once the child is born a further time requirement is placed on the parent for years until the child can reach some level of self sufficiency. Failure to provide sufficient resources and time to your child is also a crime in most developed nations and can result in fines, loss of custody, jail time, or commonly a combination.

It's a slippery slope of an issue and the realities of it all tend to send everyone home with a phyrrich victory XD

You're welcome! Nice to have civil discussions even if the topic is anything but...

Hello there! I'm late to the party but I enjoy civil discussions too. So I would like to civily disagree with you. "It is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all," well, replace one vowel and you get something perhaps even more true, it is better to have lived and lost than to never have lived at all. Even if the child is born to low-income and in hardship, they still get the little pleasures of life. The sunshine, the taste of food, perhaps love of a parent or someone else, the ability to choose and have their own free-will. The free-will of the parent or woman is often talked of, but what about the free will of the baby being aborted? They don't get to choose. They have no choice in the matter, because they aren't even at the negotiating table, even though it's their life in question. They cannot speak for themselves, they are the ultimate helpless being. I've heard cries of "speak for the animals because they can't speak for themselves" and "speak for the trees, they can't speak for themselves" but what about the human babies who can't speak for themselves? And don't even try and convince me it's not a human baby, it's certainly not a carrot! If you simply let it be and grow it would come out of the womb as a human, there is no chance it would come out as something else. Now, true, miscarraige is a thing, but it's a tragedy that modern medicine should be seeking to prevent, not cause! Also, from the moment the egg and sperm meet the 23 pairs of chromomes are there, all the genetic information is there. It just copies itself. Have a heart, and a mind! Think of all the millions who have been aborted? Perhaps one of them would've been the one to find the cure for cancer, or help to find it. The next Issac Newton of our time, a brilliant scientist. Not everyone who is brilliant and special came from the right family, not everyone came from a sinless background. Jessee Jackson and Eartha Kitt were products of rape. You can overcome that, and everyone should have a chance. As for genetic birth defects, everyone is special and should be loved anyways, and besides, the doctors aren't always right. My mother was told by the doctors I would have Down Syndrome, they were wrong. Had my mother taken their comments seriously and had me aborted simply for that, I wouldn't be here today. I'm so glad she didn't. I was born in low income and had a struggling child-hood. I wasn't taken care of properly, but I've made it through, and I became a stronger and better person because of it. As for the mother's health, if they can lie about genetic defects, why not about that? And even if so, with today's medical miracles and C-Sections available, women don't die in child-birth as often as they used to, and the child is worth it. How selfish of a person to kill their own spawn simply because it would mean causing themself harm and risking their life. The greatest love a man can give is laying down his life for his friend, how different destroying your own flesh and blood before they've come out of the womb! As Juventini pointed out, birth control is always an option. I believe the day after stuff is just as wrong as abortion, (because you are killing the cell after the egg and spem have already met), but other types of birth control aren't morally wrong and should be readily available and legal. Thank you for reading my response, (if you've gotten this far). I should be getting to bed now XD

New Waldensia, Gagium, Ibenta, and Barbak

Following new legislation in Gagium, the government has embraced apartheid.

Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever-

What, why are you all looking at me like I知 a lunatic? Should we not segregate the boomers from us zoomers?

Liberated American Provinces, Viridus, Enclave patriots, New inglaterra, and 1 otherBaltimare state

Ibenta

Gagium wrote:Following new legislation in Gagium, the government has embraced apartheid.

Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever-

What, why are you all looking at me like I知 a lunatic? Should we not segregate the boomers from us zoomers?

Cabinet Secretary: "Uhm, sir... You're a boomer. COUGH."

Liberated American Provinces, New Waldensia, Gagium, Baltimare state, and 1 otherKleveria

Kleveria wrote:Hello there!


You make some valid points and some that I don稚 entirely agree with. In my initial post I acknowledge that hardship can be overcome. I知 glad to hear you were able to surmount the hand you wear dealt.
Despite the disparity of viewpoints across the region I知 happy to have discussed it without devolving into
GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WARFARE

Also bonus points for caring at all one way or the other.

Ibenta

Kleveria wrote:Even if the child is born to low-income and in hardship, they still get the little pleasures of life. The sunshine, the taste of food, perhaps love of a parent or someone else, the ability to choose and have their own free-will.

One of my dearest friends may not have been born to this world. His mother, a prostitute, could not afford to raise him. And his father? God can only tell where that piece of scum is. But his mother, for whatever reason, miraculously decided to give birth to my friend. And even though his early years on this Earth were marked by poverty, neglect, and abuse--even though the state took custody of him and delivered him into the hands of abusive foster parents--he fought his way through every conceivable form of disadvantage. He struggled, and now he is with me at Yale.

Make no mistake. His suffering has not ended just because he made it to the gates of power. He still copes with some emotional disorders, and as recently as this month, he learned that his mother passed--murdered by some criminal still unknown to the law. But he still struggles through, thankful that he can live a life that could have well been cut short within the confines of a small clinic in South Carolina. If there is any reason, beyond logic, that I consider myself pro-life, it is because of him.

"It is better to have lived and lost than to never have lived at all."

My friend is living proof of that.

Gagium wrote:Following new legislation in Gagium, the government has embraced apartheid.

Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever-

What, why are you all looking at me like I知 a lunatic? Should we not segregate the boomers from us zoomers?

Lay off the tide pods
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Viridus, Gagium, and Kleveria

In my 4-5 years of being on NS, a majority of created nations are typically authoritarian administrative states (the objective of the admin state is control and directing the masses through networks of government agencies/programs, read Democracy and Education by John Dewey).

Often this type 菟rogress is seen as unorthodoxy 都cientific by the division of society, behaviors, events (historicism, materialism, postmaterialism, etc.) but has no actual empirical evidence to support their claims. Cultures that value the concepts of liberty and the civil society are a rarity in history alone, and among individuals that champion it themselves.

Gagium and Greater bastion

Washingtonian Republic wrote:In my 4-5 years of being on NS

I've been here way too long

Otira wrote:I've been here way too long

You and me both.

Otira, Viridus, Gagium, and Greater bastion

I see the thicc bois are having a get together...I知 not quite as big as you two but I知 quite hefty myself

Trumpvalley

LOL everybody in the SCA are triggered that the Nazi was banned and his party was destroyed LOL

Trumpvalley wrote:LOL everybody in the SCA are triggered that the Nazi was banned and his party was destroyed LOL

More of four non-WA puppets who all posted within a minute of each other

Trumpvalley wrote:LOL everybody in the SCA are triggered that the Nazi was banned and his party was destroyed LOL

who cares

Otira wrote:who cares

In the words of the great Zlatan Ibrahimovic 斗ions do not concern themselves with the actions of sheep

Ulrech wrote:In the words of the great Zlatan Ibrahimovic 斗ions do not concern themselves with the actions of sheep

Yes, yes. And now the rains weep o'er their halls.

> Pete Buttigieg announcing the Douglass Plan for racial justice.
> Claiming that over 400 organizations and prominent people back his plan.
> Literally just included the names of organizations and people that neither explicitly endorsed nor rejected the idea.
> Most of the people included--over half of the names on the list--are white because "racial equality is a universal issue."

Pete Buttigieg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Nc1zkiTvw&fbclid=IwAR35DumJYNV0v5Pw7o_fEoxYFMB6NCyF4ORjB9UFLMMHQTk3JYPRS85n-Ps

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