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Ulrech wrote:Kinda like the Senate except people donít even throw vague points out

Refrain from content that could damage the reputation of the region or have other consequences unless you feel it is absolutely necessary.

You gonna have our guests and citizens thinking we have a do nothing Senate

West Phoenicia wrote:You gonna have our guests and citizens thinking we have a do nothing Senate

They wouldn't be wrong

West Phoenicia wrote:Refrain from content that could damage the reputation of the region or have other consequences unless you feel it is absolutely necessary.

You gonna have our guests and citizens thinking we have a do nothing Senate

Iím more than free to criticize the region and if the reputation of a do nothing Senate implores you I advise you to do something about it (not you in particular WP youíre not to problem)

Furbish Islands wrote:Why is he not in the WA? And why are you only texting him now, not during the election or any other time you had an argument? And why does he not have discord?

You didnít question the 4 super inactive nations that revived within 10 minutes of each other to vote for you!

Post self-deleted by New Inglaterra.

Gagium wrote:You didnít question the 4 super inactive nations that revived within 10 minutes of each other to vote for you!

Gagiumís contesting that election harder than a Republican governor

West Phoenicia wrote:Well you being cordial didn't last too long eh?. Never said you were a slave not did I suppress you from speaking.
But life is a two way street. The same rights you have, everyone has. And I will reserve the right to support fellow citizens and senators from people who think they can dictate demands.

And thanks for ignoring the part where I said you should comeback.

Understood?

Your response to me as a Senator--that I should effectively shut up about this matter and depend on you and the Senate--is incredibly condescending and disrespectful. And no. Just because you told me to rejoin the Senate doesn't fix the gross nature of your statement. Why should any citizen be forced to join the Senate to express their views? Instead of focusing on the nature of my response, I wish you would consider your incredibly demeaning manner of speech. My comment still stands, and if you can't even apologize for telling a citizen to not engage in civil discourse and partake in this region's democratic process, then you are indeed as egotistical as that original comment of yours.

New Inglaterra wrote:And as far as I think, the NPPís platform is more pro democracy than anything youíve ever done. You constantly derided Senators who did not join a major party and dismissed anyone who wanted to express opinions to the contrary of yours as being mere idiots or power hungry mad men.

That is a gross misrepresentation of my beliefs--one that you and West Phoenicia have long expressed time and time again. It strikes me as odd that when I do debate you on policy, when I do engage your parties on ideology, you refer to me as wanting to force people into the Conservatives. Neither of you have truly ever engaged me substantively, but you both have, like political hacks, repeated the same phrase over and over again.

Don't you think it's about time to stop?

West Phoenicia wrote:Refrain from content that could damage the reputation of the region or have other consequences unless you feel it is absolutely necessary.

You gonna have our guests and citizens thinking we have a do nothing Senate

He broke that rule!?! Absurd! Ulrech Iím gonna have to banject you now, chief

Ibenta wrote:Your response to me as a Senator--that I should effectively shut up about this matter and depend on you and the Senate--is incredibly condescending and disrespectful. And no. Just because you told me to rejoin the Senate doesn't fix the gross nature of your statement. Why should any citizen be forced to join the Senate to express their views? Instead of focusing on the nature of my response, I wish you would consider your incredibly demeaning manner of speech. My comment still stands, and if you can't even apologize for telling a citizen to not engage in civil discourse and partake in this region's democratic process, then you are indeed as egotistical as that original comment of yours.

As usual taking me out of context and creating scenarios that are neither accurate or of any substsnce.

The Antebellum Democratic Party has always been and always will be open, transparent and honest.

Our platform is listed on our page for all to see and we are always open to suggestions, questions and healthy debates, whether it be about policies, our voting record etc.

Anything said in opposition to this is unfounded and untrue.

Ibenta wrote:Your response to me as a Senator--that I should effectively shut up about this matter and depend on you and the Senate--is incredibly condescending and disrespectful. And no. Just because you told me to rejoin the Senate doesn't fix the gross nature of your statement. Why should any citizen be forced to join the Senate to express their views? Instead of focusing on the nature of my response, I wish you would consider your incredibly demeaning manner of speech. My comment still stands, and if you can't even apologize for telling a citizen to not engage in civil discourse and partake in this region's democratic process, then you are indeed as egotistical as that original comment of yours.

West Phoenicia wrote:Refrain from content that could damage the reputation of the region or have other consequences unless you feel it is absolutely necessary.

You gonna have our guests and citizens thinking we have a do nothing Senate

New Inglaterra wrote:Ibentaís rants arenít debate. He just throws out a vague point and doesnít do anything to defend it.

On a serious note, as this argument has taken a turn in which you both are only arguing off of each otherís arguments rather than anything meaningful could you all consider taking it to discord DMs or telegrams? Some of this could be seen as edging on breaking the rules anyways - I donít believe it right now, though Iím sure a few people would appreciate this useless arguing being moved to DMs..

Making this post so Gagium will like it

American politicians be like:

West Phoenicia wrote:Anything said in opposition to this is unfounded and untrue.

ehshshsbz had HD use he dry egg edydyryery

Gagium wrote:On a serious note, as this argument has taken a turn in which you both are only arguing off of each otherís arguments rather than anything meaningful could you all consider taking it to discord DMs or telegrams? Some of this could be seen as edging on breaking the rules anyways - I donít believe it right now, though Iím sure a few people would appreciate this useless arguing being moved to DMs..

Iím cool with moving to the DMs. You in Phonecia and Ibenta?

New Inglaterra wrote:Iím cool with moving to the DMs. You in Phonecia and Ibenta?

Quite frankly, no. I already offered to hold a civil dialogue with you. I offered to talk, in private, about your platform. You responded by personally attacking me. And West Phoenicia effectively responded to my initial comments by telling voters that they are subservient to their senators and cannot exercise their rights as citizens. Hell, he even went to the Discord and tried to get Furby to curtail my free speech by claiming that I was breaking the RMB rules. As I see it, talking to either of you is a waste of my time. The two of you are incredibly arrogant--so arrogant that you would attack a concerned constituent. This has got to be the first time in this region that two sitting senators have attacked a voter for raising concerns.

West Phoenicia wrote:As usual taking me out of context and creating scenarios that are neither accurate or of any substsnce.

West Phoenicia wrote:Refrain from content that could damage the reputation of the region or have other consequences unless you feel it is absolutely necessary.

You gonna have our guests and citizens thinking we have a do nothing Senate

I can't believe this. And now you're trying to violate citizens freedom of speech. If you're so right about anything that you say, you wouldn't go behind citizens backs and try to punish them for speaking freely, as is guaranteed them by the Constitution. You wouldn't try and have Furby punish me for speaking on the RMB, via Discord. You wouldn't try and have Ulrech punished for speaking freely as well.

I'm going to again urge you to do the right thing: apologize.

Ibenta wrote:Quite frankly, no. I already offered to hold a civil dialogue with you. I offered to talk, in private, about your platform. You responded by personally attacking me. And West Phoenicia effectively responded to my initial comments by telling voters that they are subservient to their senators and cannot exercise their rights as citizens. Hell, he even went to the Discord and tried to get Furby to curtail my free speech by claiming that I was breaking the RMB rules. As I see it, talking to either of you is a waste of my time. The two of you are incredibly arrogant--so arrogant that you would attack a concerned constituent. This has got to be the first time in this region that two sitting senators have attacked a voter for raising concerns.

I can't believe this. And now you're trying to violate citizens freedom of speech. If you're so right about anything that you say, you wouldn't go behind citizens backs and try to punish them for speaking freely, as is guaranteed them by the Constitution. You wouldn't try and have Furby punish me for speaking on the RMB, via Discord. You wouldn't try and have Ulrech punished for speaking freely as well.

I'm going to again urge you to do the right thing: apologize.

I will respond to you over telegram, as Gagium has asked to stop doing this on the RMB.

Jokernation

HeHeHAheHahehAhahehahAhaheha

Jokernation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC44Tl_Y-vU
BEST JOKER LAUGH YET!!!!

New Inglaterra wrote:No because he does this all the time. He doesnít like something, writes a 30 page essay saying he doesnít like it, and then proceeds to keep saying he doesnít like it without actually saying why.

That's how you become a good politician

Jokernation

Viridus wrote:That's how you become a good politician

lol I don't really care about politics

New Inglaterra wrote:No because he does this all the time. He doesnít like something, writes a 30 page essay saying he doesnít like it, and then proceeds to keep saying he doesnít like it without actually saying why.

So to repeat myself again, I urged you to change your platform as a means to avoid controversy. I did not say that you had to change your platform. And I did not include my specific thoughts on each part of your platform so as to avoid what would have been a damaging dialogue to your party. Clearly, publicly discussing your platform with all its potential flaws, doesn't exactly put your party in the best light, does it? Especially among new members on the RMB.

But your response to me is instead that I am trying to shut down your party--that Ibenta is trying to destroy another small faction. If that were the case, why would I refrain from publishing my critique of your platform and urge you to change your proposals? Ask Fluvannia and Ulrech. I went to the Conservative Party Discord--I rejoined it--just to show them the first part of my critique. That critique was several paragraphs long and wasn't even my full set of opinions. And now Furby intends to write his own critique of your Party based on my commentary. If I had really wanted to destroy you, I would have published that critique and watch West Phoenicia still try to shut me out of regional politics. I would have attempted to humiliate you with all of my arguments, which I did not. At least recognize that.

I did not intend to destroy your party in this most recent exchange. But your assumption that I did, coupled with West Phoenicia's demeaning messages--stating that the Senate is above its constituents--resulted in this current fight. You brought this upon yourself, and I don't think that the Conservative Party will easily back down from the scent of blood.

As for me, that's all I have to say. Not to repeat myself here again, but I haven't just left regional politics, I've rejected it. I'm sorry that you have such a low opinion of me. May you do well with the NPP.

Viridus wrote:That's how you become a good politician

Yes, but I'm also not a politician nor do I ever want to be one again. I appreciate the sarcasm, though.

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