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Aigania wrote:Good point (and I have some Esperantists speaking friends; I never took the bait, tho). The question first will be, what capitalism?

The three and interlocked challenges for capitalism (and us) today are:

1) The social and environment: the biosphere cannot be replaced (and the social capital can also be depleted). The capitalism is going to have to take into account the externalities. The changes are rapidly increasing and are posing a security and financial risk (ask the great insurance companies).

2) The technnological shock: the AI and the automation is going to cause a massive disruption with the marginal going to zero. It is going to left most of the population behind. Retraining is limited. Before one can be trained to one job or another, from the farm to the factory. But the current tech is going to replace most of the peak abilities of humans: thinking and manipulating the physical world.

3) The freedom/authority. Either the authoritarian "alternative" of China or the creeping police state mentality on Western Nations with the surveillance culture is regressing the capitalism. The stop or falling down of the social elevator is regressing capitalism to a near similar feudal future, with the fiefdoms being the giant corporate conglomerates, in the hands of a very few families. Other things is the privatization of politics (like Lords of old!), or the "compulsory" monopolies. In the feudalism, if you were a peasant you have to mill the grain in the mill of your Lord, now if you have an smartphone the options for example for operating systems is some variant of Android or iOS.
And so on.

1) The biosphere regenerates, but I agree it is limited. I like to think the solution involves outer space, but any such endeavor would be incredibly expensive.
2) I'm not sure automation will be the end of work any time soon. The factory I worked at had a number of robots, and was always looking to add more, but their headcount never went down as a result of the robots.
3) Surveillance states and authoritarian socialism are my mortal enemies, as they should be for anyone who loves freedom. I support breaking up monopolies in general, and big tech and media companies in particular. Competition is a key component of capitalism, after all.
It seems we agree on many things, but not all of them. Which is cool.

Hi everyone! 🤗😊 Very,very new here...
Awake again after a long slumber.😴This time in Lazarus.Very nice.

Aigania wrote:No.

The problem with Marx it that he was an optimist, hardly his fault, the infectious spirit of positivism. Although the sequence should go something like: primitive --> slavery --> feudalism --> capitalism --> socialism --> communism

It is over simplified. It doesn't account for reversals, the mentality of inevitable progress of the age. Or the sharing of some systems side by side.

P.S. Also I have caused a minor break in my economy for going capitalist. The price of choosing the "expert/technical" advisor ... and trying to experiment.
Well it can take a few days or several months to repair the damage.

Let's see where this accident can lead.

Wait, advisor? Can you tell me more about that?

Evropa Nation wrote:

I have to admit a certain liking for blue eyed blondes.

Loftegen 2 wrote:I have to admit a certain liking for blue eyed blondes.

They are pretty arenít they?

GET YOUR MOOSE STEW!!!!!!

*takes out tables, pots of stew*

*Dishes*

SneylandI'm concerned that moose aren't making any more babehs. The male moose seem to be distracted by the internet..... please cut of their internet connection and lock them alone with female mooses in the cages. e__e I don't like doing this but they've forced my hand.

Make sure you marry each meece couple before you lock them in the cage... we don't want meece being born out of wedlock..... WE ARE A CHRISTIAN FARM.

ok -_- somebody just messaged me to ask whether I was being serious in this moose farm stuff...

Wat? u think I spent 35 years as a meece farmer for a joke e__e I do NOT appreciate insults.

<_< wait.... ur not a registered christian pastor Sneyland

Do we have any registered pastors willing to marry moose?

The Copper States wrote:Wait, advisor? Can you tell me more about that?

Simply the one on the options of the issue. I choose because it sported small scale capitalism, alas the constrains of the game is a) all public "socialism", b) capitalism.

Loftegen 2 wrote:1) The biosphere regenerates, but I agree it is limited. I like to think the solution involves outer space, but any such endeavor would be incredibly expensive.

[No, it doesn't. The species extinction is a order of magnitude over the natural rate. The term Sixth Extinction is fully justified. From the economic viewpoint, the decline of bees and other pollinating insects (25 % down of insect biomass), the decline of fisheries (it should be downsized about 50 % 20 years ago) ... and the impact of AGW.

Yes, it will be expensive although it could have be done decades before, but the governments decided that space was not a priority.]

2) I'm not sure automation will be the end of work any time soon. The factory I worked at had a number of robots, and was always looking to add more, but their headcount never went down as a result of the robots.

[I may have not expressed with precision. It doesn't need to end all work, only a significant fraction of them. For example look at this map.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state

One profession truck driver, it seems of the last refugee form of employment for a great swath of population.
What would happen WHEN automated driving systems in trucks take off?

Ok, that's for the base, but what about the peak?

JPMorgan software does in seconds what took lawyers 360,000 hours
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/jp-morgan-software-lawyers-coin-contract-intelligence-parsing-financial-deals-seconds-legal-working-a7603256.html

What would happen with all the people out of work? Retrain? In what? At what cost? And who is going to pay for that?
Would be it even be possible?

If you are not worried for the workers, what would happen to all the chain of business (workers + owners) that are dependent of population consumption? It is already a meme the "Millenials kills X (business or brand).

3) Surveillance states and authoritarian socialism are my mortal enemies, as they should be for anyone who loves freedom.

[Surveillance has been advanced with gusto by corporations and government alike and it is not going away barring a massive revolution ... which now thanks to that is nearly impossible.

authoritarian socialism has been dead since 1991, except for that weird hybrid of China, that is half that and half robber baron capitalism]

I support breaking up monopolies in general, and big tech and media companies in particular. Competition is a key component of capitalism, after all.

[I doubt they can be broken currently due to the facto becoming a standard (corporate one without oversight).
More to worry is the terrible oligopolies in media, the consolidation since the de-regulation from Reagan that spread around the war has been catastrophic to the public discourse.

It is the same one (Economic + Cultural), in all the available channels all the time. It has reduced the political window to a slit, and the cultural diversity ... compare the diversity of music on mainstream. It has been documented time and again the decline and global flattening.

It seems we agree on many things, but not all of them. Which is cool.

[Yes]

New Adelsin wrote:<_< wait.... ur not a registered christian pastor Sneyland

Do we have any registered pastors willing to marry moose?

My nation is fully religious.

New Adelsin wrote:GET YOUR MOOSE STEW!!!!!!

*takes out tables, pots of stew*

*Dishes*

SneylandI'm concerned that moose aren't making any more babehs. The male moose seem to be distracted by the internet..... please cut of their internet connection and lock them alone with female mooses in the cages. e__e I don't like doing this but they've forced my hand.

Make sure you marry each meece couple before you lock them in the cage... we don't want meece being born out of wedlock..... WE ARE A CHRISTIAN FARM.

*turns off internet for the moose* *marries all the moose* *puts them in a cage*

I don't deserve u Sneyland e___e

New Adelsin wrote:I don't deserve u Sneyland e___e

xD Awww. Sneyland is pretty awesome isn't he.

New Adelsin wrote:<_< wait.... ur not a registered christian pastor Sneyland

Do we have any registered pastors willing to marry moose?

Does His Holy Heftiness of the Church of Tubbius count?

Loftegen 2 wrote:I have to admit a certain liking for blue eyed blondes.

blondes are pretty nice but I prefer brunettes

New Adelsin wrote:GET YOUR MOOSE STEW!!!!!!

*takes out tables, pots of stew*

*Dishes*

SneylandI'm concerned that moose aren't making any more babehs. The male moose seem to be distracted by the internet..... please cut of their internet connection and lock them alone with female mooses in the cages. e__e I don't like doing this but they've forced my hand.

Make sure you marry each meece couple before you lock them in the cage... we don't want meece being born out of wedlock..... WE ARE A CHRISTIAN FARM.

Good Christian meece farm blessed by God

Tubbius is feeling particularly portly this morning. It might have been caused by the pair of cream pies eaten at 3:00 a.m.

Oops.

Treadwellia wrote:Tubbius is feeling particularly portly this morning. It might have been caused by the pair of cream pies eaten at 3:00 a.m.

Oops.

Is that a Tubbian "Oops" in relation to eating!
*Faints*

Mzeusia wrote:Is that a Tubbian "Oops" in relation to eating!
*Faints*

There could have been three pies, but He saved one for a five a.m. snack.

Only in Treadwellia would the king begin overseeing Christmas decorations in the middle of October.

Then again, His Rotundity does have a special connection to said holiday. Rumor has it He spent some time very early this morning (between pie snacks) outside in the barn, examining The Sleigh, trying on The Suit, and showing affection to His ages old, immortal pets and carriers: The Reindeer. Everything is apparently going according to plan, for the Corpulent Claus has been much a-jiggle of the tummy and a-giggle of the voice and a-wiggle of His naturally pointed, elven ears today.

Leestcheck, capital of the Imperium
The Imperial Statistics Office released the latest data from the biannual census today. Forecasts predict a continuous population growth, as Imperial women keep having 2,5 children on average, well above the level needed for replacement (2,1). Analysts attribute this to increased economical wellbeing, state investment in childcare, worker rights and no social stigma on stay-at-home parents.
As all Imperial citizens recieve a basic state salary that rises with rank, and childcare such as Kindergarten is generally free of charge, having children poses little to no material risk.

As a consequence of this trend, the Imperial population is expected to grow past the 8 billion mark later this year.

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