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Rilandse wrote:I should have said Francoism, but yes. Ideologically Francoism doesn't advocate for the killing of minorities.

That doesn't mean not violent.

Bigoted violence isnt the only kind of violence.

This went as good as expected B)

Ionalands wrote:That doesn't mean not violent.

Bigoted violence isnt the only kind of violence.

My statement was the equivalence of you saying the communism COULD be non-violent. Fascism could be too. All fascist and communist regimes have committed crimes and atrocities.

Cauva and Condaian

Greater Jes New Islands wrote:This went as good as expected B)

I have a feeling a civil war is incoming and or a very long strike.

Greater Jes New Islands wrote:This went as good as expected B)

Yeah, if things go haywire, I already have a region with a map, rules and a base of supporters. I don't want to leave, but if this community turns into what it seemingly has devolved to, I will move.

Scalesburg and Condaian

Rilandse wrote:My statement was the equivalence of you saying the communism COULD be non-violent. Fascism could be too. All fascist and communist regimes have committed crimes and atrocities.

Well great. Someone who isnt advocating for murder shouldn't get in trouble. Fine then.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm continuing roleplay. However, if we can't respect/ban both sides, then I won't be participating in a fraudulent one-way system.

Rilandse and Condaian

"I left this region because they punished people who genuinely advocate for murder"

I dont understand why this is a hill to die on.

Ionalands wrote:Well great. Someone who isnt advocating for murder shouldn't get in trouble. Fine then.

I agree.

Its almost like we all agree Nazism, ideologies that advocate for violence, and that atrocities are bad, excluding Jesia who supports china with its concentration camps, but that isn't enough to please.

Condaian

Ionalands wrote:"I left this region because they punished people who genuinely advocate for murder"

I dont understand why this is a hill to die on.

Way to twist our words, but oh well. This is a pointless argument.

Cauva and Condaian

The IDM VOTES ARE IN .....
55 to leave ...
45 to stay...

IDM HAS DECIDED TO BECOME A SEPARATE ENTITY WITHIN N.L AND TALKS WITH THE GOVERNOR AND OTHER LEADERS WILL BEGIN TO START WITH TRADING, TRAVEL ETC........

Rilandse wrote:I agree.

Its almost like we all agree Nazism, ideologies that advocate for violence, and that atrocities are bad, excluding Jesia who supports china with its concentration camps, but that isn't enough to please.

I've spoken against Jesia's BS numerous times. I dont know what you want from me. I believe anyone who advocates for murder or bigoted views should be reprimanded regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum.

Rilandse wrote:Way to twist our words, but oh well. This is a pointless argument.

Then what is your words? Because I dont see how it ultimately boils down to what I said.

Isla De Militarias wrote:The IDM VOTES ARE IN .....
55 to leave ...
45 to stay...

IDM HAS DECIDED TO BECOME A SEPARATE ENTITY WITHIN N.L AND TALKS WITH THE GOVERNOR AND OTHER LEADERS WILL BEGIN TO START WITH TRADING, TRAVEL ETC........

Scalesburg promptly denies the idea of this. It's like saying the Novus Lucidum is flat, to us.

Isla De Militarias wrote:The IDM VOTES ARE IN .....
55 to leave ...
45 to stay...

IDM HAS DECIDED TO BECOME A SEPARATE ENTITY WITHIN N.L AND TALKS WITH THE GOVERNOR AND OTHER LEADERS WILL BEGIN TO START WITH TRADING, TRAVEL ETC........

Aight, guess you ain't a citizen of NL since you decided to leave it.

Rilandse and Condaian

THE IDM HAS FORMALLY PUT IN A REQUEST WITH THE GOVERNOR New Nationale Einheit TO HAVE IDM LISTEN WITH THE TITLE NOVUS LUCIDUM .....

As

NOVUS LUCIDUM AND THE IDM

Guys I had a vote. NL rules dont apply to anymore.

Sorry, but that's how it works.

Ionalands wrote:Then what is your words? Because I dont see how it ultimately boils down to what I said.

I want people to say what they want to. Yes, it may be bad, yes we have rules against harassment, but these have been ignored and people expect myself and others to suppress people when we are not only following the rules.

This whole PC movement is making the region toxic. You may disagree, but why would people want to join when they see this argument? Cauva posted the meme a while ago and since he didn't post more or anything similar to it, but Hunzali has brought it back up and has now pushed and revived the toxicity.

If I am to be honest, with the exclusion of you (Iona), and Ebengar, stopping your roleplays doesn't do much. But if people want to post in our RMB toxic, deterring comments, I don't want to be a part of that community.

Condaian

https://youtu.be/N2EHwjOPEvc

On the streets of Philistine

Rilandse wrote:I want people to say what they want to. Yes, it may be bad, yes we have rules against harassment, but these have been ignored and people expect myself and others to suppress people when we are not only following the rules.

This whole PC movement is making the region toxic. You may disagree, but why would people want to join when they see this argument? Cauva posted the meme a while ago and since he didn't post more or anything similar to it, but Hunzali has brought it back up and has now pushed and revived the toxicity.

If I am to be honest, with the exclusion of you (Iona), and Ebengar, stopping your roleplays doesn't do much. But if people want to post in our RMB toxic, deterring comments, I don't want to be a part of that community.

I dont want to suppress any viewpoints, I dont want to put in big capital letters "ONLY PEOPLE WITH APPROVE POLITICAL OPINIONS CAN POST HERE". that's not what this is about.

I dont think anything I'm advocating for here is anything absurd or unreasonable. I dont think bigots should be welcomed in this region. I don't want to rp with someone like that, someone who thinks I deserve less rights is not someone I want to chum around with, and I really dont feel bad if they feel unwelcome in this region.

Ionalands wrote:I dont want to suppress any viewpoints, I dont want to put in big capital letters "ONLY PEOPLE WITH APPROVE POLITICAL OPINIONS CAN POST HERE". that's not what this is about.

I dont think anything I'm advocating for here is anything absurd or unreasonable. I dont think bigots should be welcomed in this region. I don't want to rp with someone like that, someone who thinks I deserve less rights is not someone I want to chum around with, and I really dont feel bad if they feel unwelcome in this region.

I'm not a fan of bigots either, but that doesn't mean you should ban ideologies.

If you can actually write something up that basically reaffirms what I have said in the poll, but doesn't specify ideologies by name or methods. Then we can move closer to something we agree on. But right now, I haven't seen anyone attempting to write a better version that fits the criteria.

Cauva and Condaian

Ionalands wrote:I dont want to suppress any viewpoints, I dont want to put in big capital letters "ONLY PEOPLE WITH APPROVE POLITICAL OPINIONS CAN POST HERE". that's not what this is about.

I dont think anything I'm advocating for here is anything absurd or unreasonable. I dont think bigots should be welcomed in this region. I don't want to rp with someone like that, someone who thinks I deserve less rights is not someone I want to chum around with, and I really dont feel bad if they feel unwelcome in this region.

I don't like them either and if they spread hate, that is punishable, but banning ideologies, speech, and beliefs is not the answer. But, this is where we disagree and I dont see either of us changing our viewpoints. I'll let you protesters sort this out.

Even if Odinburgh, NNE, GV, etc. support you all on this, I wont. I am not going to defy the constitution.

Krimera wrote:I'm not a fan of bigots either, but that doesn't mean you should ban ideologies.

If you can actually write something up that basically reaffirms what I have said in the poll, but doesn't specify ideologies by name or methods. Then we can move closer to something we agree on. But right now, I haven't seen anyone attempting to write a better version that fits the criteria.

It's not about "banning ideologies", it's about not tolerating bigotry.

I don't even think it should be banned per se. Should someone who says something mildly insensitive or ignorant have the hammer put down on them? No, I don't think so.

Like do we have any disagreements here? I only want people to get in trouble for what they say, not what they identify themselves as. In practice I have a hard time not seeing a nazi get banned anyway.

Ionalands wrote:It's not about "banning ideologies", it's about not tolerating bigotry.

I don't even think it should be banned per se. Should someone who says something mildly insensitive or ignorant have the hammer put down on them? No, I don't think so.

Like do we have any disagreements here? I only want people to get in trouble for what they say, not what they identify themselves as. In practice I have a hard time not seeing a nazi get banned anyway.

Can you then write an example of this in a form that can easily be read and understood without the possibility of easily misunderstanding the stance the region has on this kind of subject.

It's just that I thought the poll I did was good enough.
"This poll is to determine our reaffirmation to the condemnation of racism, sexism, homophobia, and anti-Semitism on the region. Which should be all encompassing for any kind of political/religious/etc belief."
The focus being on the all encompassing portion. That way any other forms that encroach on what we condemn on is still effected. Just singling out a single ideology, like Hunzali was proposing, wouldn't work well due to fact that there are other forms going by different names.

So what is this chatter you all talking about?

Condaian

Odinburgh wrote:So what is this chatter you all talking about?

Couple of nations are trying to suppress any free speech in the region sir

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