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Ionalands wrote:But nazism is not on an equal ground with other ideologies.

Banning nazism is a lot different than banning christianity, or LGBT pride, or even communism.

Again, I don't really have a problem with what Krimera says, but like, y'all are being way too hard on Hunzali.

Hunzali is being a bit extreme.

Seaforti, Scalesburg, and Condaian

Cauva wrote:Hunzali is being a bit extreme.

And that's how Hunzali wants to act...
He has his opinion, and we have ours. We can agree to disagree with someone but not to silence someone,
everyone should have the right to free speech no matter what their opinion is...

Cauva and Condaian

Seaforti wrote:And that's how Hunzali wants to act...
He has his opinion, and we have ours. We can agree to disagree with someone but not to silence someone,
everyone should have the right to free speech no matter what their opinion is...

By what you are saying then, if we still disagree with Hunzali and do nothing. Then they will continue their strike of not RPing. Which is whatever.

Scalesburg wrote:Those that aren't going to roleplay, then be my guest. We have condemned racism, sexism, homophobic slurs, etc. in our constitution.

If that isn't enough, then I guess we'll be role-playing without you. You clearly cannot see that if we ban the ideology of anything, which I should remind you is against the constitution by itself, then we must ban all similar ideologies that fall under that umbrella, which will be most-- making this region bland and boring.

Honestly, if it was just that I'd be fine with it. The problem is that the two persons with who I spoke with didn't make any difference between genocides on purpose (nazism, the supremacy of the germanic race) and genocides with excuses (Religions, Communism, where the real purpose wasn't those ideas but the sole control a state or an organisation whishes to have on a population).

I'm also against banning anything in the constitution because it's an IC piece of paper that will take ages to be amended and targetbanning isn't the right idea. Insults or overall discrimination towards a specific group of persons should be one of the only criminal offenses listed in a Legal Code (as a law) for the IC part, and in regional rules for the OOC part. However, in a world of free thoughts in which NationStates is part of, fascism (and therefore nazism) should not be welcomed.

Cauva wrote:Hunzali is being a bit extreme.

He's not though. Whatever you think about what he's saying, it's not extreme.

Seaforti wrote:And that's how Hunzali wants to act...
He has his opinion, and we have ours. We can agree to disagree with someone but not to silence someone,
everyone should have the right to free speech no matter what their opinion is...

This isnt a free speech argument.

You dont and have never had free speech in this region.

Ionalands wrote:But nazism is not on an equal ground with other ideologies.

Banning nazism is a lot different than banning christianity, or LGBT pride, or even communism.

Again, I don't really have a problem with what Krimera says, but like, y'all are being way too hard on Hunzali.

Once again, subject to opinion. I think Hunzali most of all, but you have prolonged this unnecessarily long and for what? Ebengar was on board with you all, but I believe at at least sees that your needs have been satisfied. You are being reasonable and talking while Hunzali is sitting back bullheaded.

Condaian

Seaforti wrote:And that's how Hunzali wants to act...
He has his opinion, and we have ours. We can agree to disagree with someone but not to silence someone,
everyone should have the right to free speech no matter what their opinion is...

That's fine, I don't think any of us have a problem with Hunzali voicing his opinion. But threatening to not RP just because Nazism isn't directly banned is a bit extreme, I mean he can do it and all but why?

Seaforti and Condaian

Krimera wrote:By what you are saying then, if we still disagree with Hunzali and do nothing. Then they will continue their strike of not RPing. Which is whatever.

Sure, they can do whatever they want. It sucks that they don't want to engage in the RP but that's their choice...
I would like to know why they are not wanting to RP with us but if that's their opinion it's fine as it only looks like it's effecting them and not anyone else...

Ionalands wrote:This isnt a free speech argument.

You dont and have never had free speech in this region.

Its almost like I didn't want any restrictions on speech but most people want it.

Cauva and Condaian

Seaforti wrote:Sure, they can do whatever they want. It sucks that they don't want to engage in the RP but that's their choice...
I would like to know why they are not wanting to RP with us but if that's their opinion it's fine as it only looks like it's effecting them and not anyone else...

They don't want to RP until their demands have been met, of which all but the outright banning by name of Nazism has been met.

Seaforti, Cauva, and Condaian

Ionalands wrote:He's not though. Whatever you think about what he's saying, it's not extreme.

Refusing to RP because Nazism won't be banned by name, despite his problem with Nazism being banned is a bit extreme in my books.

Condaian

This is what happens when you sh*tpost too hard kids

Greater Jes New Islands wrote:This is what happens when you sh*tpost too hard kids

It is an art form.

Cauva wrote:That's fine, I don't think any of us have a problem with Hunzali voicing his opinion. But threatening to not RP just because Nazism isn't directly banned is a bit extreme, I mean he can do it and all but why?

Probably because Hunzali thinks that not banning Nazism is the same thing as supporting Nazism. Or the ol-saying
"if your not against them then you are for them"
I don't agree with that saying or with his threatening to not RP because Nazism isn't banned.
I Don't want to sound bad but Hunzali Looks like he's new to the region and hasn't participated in RP, so who's to say that he'll even participate in RP if the "demands" are met?

Cauva wrote:It is an art form.

I know it quite well since I was a pretty big member of Lardyland and Meat after my Mass b@n

Greater Jes New Islands wrote:This is what happens when you sh*tpost too hard kids

Jesia has a sh*tpost stiffy from this.

Also, Im not a Nazi, Im a Strasserist, get it right.

Hunzali and Condaian

Im saddened that wanting naziism banned by name is considered extreme by certain people. makes me wonder where their political loyalties actually lie.

Rilandse wrote:Jesia has a sh*tpost stiffy from this.

Also, Im not a Nazi, Im a Strasserist, get it right.

Ooooh, so youre a nazi without a spine.

Anacodia wrote:Im saddened that wanting naziism banned by name is considered extreme by certain people. makes me wonder where their political loyalties actually lie.

Says the person who defends the Holodomor

Condaian

Anacodia wrote:Im saddened that wanting naziism banned by name is considered extreme by certain people. makes me wonder where their political loyalties actually lie.

The threat to not RP because your demand where you refuse to compromise won't be met is extreme. Not wanting Nazism banned.

Condaian

Cauva wrote:Refusing to RP because Nazism won't be banned by name, despite his problem with Nazism being banned is a bit extreme in my books.

Nah. Nazism is evil and wanting it forbidden is pretty far from extreme.

I don't agree with Hunzali 100% but y'all are being way too hard on him. Banning a hateful ideology doesn't give justification to ban every ideology that exists.

Ionalands wrote:Nah. Nazism is evil and wanting it forbidden is pretty far from extreme.

I don't agree with Hunzali 100% but y'all are being way too hard on him. Banning a hateful ideology doesn't give justification to ban every ideology that exists.

Cauva wrote:The threat to not RP because your demand where you refuse to compromise won't be met is extreme. Not wanting Nazism banned.

Condaian

Oh...
Anacodia is Hunzali?

Gothic Vandelia, I'm sorry this happened

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