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Post self-deleted by Russkov Soviet.

Russkov Soviet wrote:Hmm... Never had a problem with the Police. I'm even friends with some officers... So.. I get the bad, but come on people. NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD.

Agents of the state should never be trusted.

Be courteous if you feel but never keep your eyes off and your back turned on them.

-sighs- Bad day and I went off ranting. Deleted. I apologize.

Yiddish nederland wrote:Whats everyone's biggest fears? Mine are heights, needles and being forgotton by everything.

Merc.

Yiddish nederland wrote:If they are educated, and continue to remain as police officers then they ARE bad.

And this right here is why whenever i hear someone say that they are leftist that i think that they are idiotic. World isn't black and white and this mentality of "i have no proof but all are bad" is the root of said idiocy. Correct me if i am wrong but how can it be that an educated police officer is automatically a bad person because they are in the police? Wouldn't this logic also apply to cops of colour be they black, asian or some other?

No offence intended

- Person Studying IRL to join the Police

Ps. i am not trying to start a fight, but i believe that your view is way too one sided. Also don't say that leftist phrases don't mean what they say, generally i do believe that most leftist are chill and don't mean it literally, but there is quite a few radical/extremist left wing which take these phrases with 100% literal meaning.

Sorry for my small rant. Tried to be neutral but i may have been a bit biased myself.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania and Antarctica, and Yiddish nederland

I don't mind if my post above gets suppressed btw, if any moderator thinks it should be then suppress it, i will be away for most of the day and have no idea when i will return.

Have a nice day- Spanelsko

Yiddish nederland

Spanelsko wrote:And this right here is why whenever i hear someone say that they are leftist that i think that they are idiotic. World isn't black and white and this mentality of "i have no proof but all are bad" is the root of said idiocy. Correct me if i am wrong but how can it be that an educated police officer is automatically a bad person because they are in the police? Wouldn't this logic also apply to cops of colour be they black, asian or some other?

No offence intended

- Person Studying IRL to join the Police

Ps. i am not trying to start a fight, but i believe that your view is way too one sided. Also don't say that leftist phrases don't mean what they say, generally i do believe that most leftist are chill and don't mean it literally, but there is quite a few radical/extremist left wing which take these phrases with 100% literal meaning.

Sorry for my small rant. Tried to be neutral but i may have been a bit biased myself.

YES! Its still applies to minority cops! Im not like a full on marxist or anything, im just really left leaning. In the torah HaShem/g-d tells us to always stand up for what is right so i beleive im obligated to at least try to help with societal issues because of faith. Personally, i actually have a really grey view of the world as the jewish law (Unlike Christian) teaches says circumstances matter when judging some one. Yeah, person A did this, but why would person A do this? And i havnt just jumped on the "all cops a r bad lol" band wagon either, as I've seen discrimination in my community. My black freinds have to intentionally avoid downtown .

Kalaron-a

Yiddish nederland wrote:If they are educated, and continue to remain as police officers then they ARE bad.

Yiddish nederland wrote:Let me explain something about leftist phrases. When we say "all cops are Bastards" we meam that all people who KNOWINGLY participate in a system that has racism ats its core and dont speak out about it are, in fact Bastards.

I feel like these two comments disagree with each other, since one defines the conditions for not being a bastard as including speaking out whereas the other just says "if you keep on being a cop, you're a bastard regardless". I agree that the system has issues that are pretty massive but the whole "Cops are bastards!" focus seems like an easy out for the society and corporations that have created the conditions in which cops live and operate. Same thing with the sudden focus on black lives with regard to medicine, by all means focus on Corona hotspots, but it seems to escape people's notice that obesity, food availability (Fast food versus Healthy stuff) and Corona are all connected and that illnesses like these would have less effect on our society if we didn't have sh!tty collective health. It'd just seem so much more genuine if we addressed them from the bottom up rather than a -manipulatable- "societal conversation".

What I would prefer is that we reform our laws to be less intrusive, leave the Police with the money to operate (rather than the weird pseudo-revenge stance some people have taken on where the loss of funding is itself a punishment. Ideally we wouldn't be punishing people who -by and large- thought they were serving society through a system [that they still probably felt was inadequate in at least some [portion]) and begun pushing funding into our local communities regardless. The actual conversations on Policing are unlikely to be fairly heard by most people, if only because the idea that a group of people exposed to a consistently large amount of danger might be changed via arcane processes to perceive their environment differently from "the rest of us" seems a little too hard for either black communities or whatever-scale PD you have to swallow until it comes time to turn words into weapons and just call the other side bad or something.

E: This is sort of why I've just gone apathetic to politics tho. I don't really want to care about any of the stuff happening, and it's so much more fun to just run with my dog and play.

Spanelsko

Yiddish nederland

Kalaron-a wrote:I feel like these two comments disagree with each other, since one defines the conditions for not being a bastard as including speaking out whereas the other just says "if you keep on being a cop, you're a bastard regardless". I agree that the system has issues that are pretty massive but the whole "Cops are bastards!" focus seems like an easy out for the society and corporations that have created the conditions in which cops live and operate. Same thing with the sudden focus on black lives with regard to medicine, by all means focus on Corona hotspots, but it seems to escape people's notice that obesity, food availability (Fast food versus Healthy stuff) and Corona are all connected and that illnesses like these would have less effect on our society if we didn't have sh!tty collective health. It'd just seem so much more genuine if we addressed them from the bottom up rather than a -manipulatable- "societal conversation".

What I would prefer is that we reform our laws to be less intrusive, leave the Police with the money to operate (rather than the weird pseudo-revenge stance some people have taken on where the loss of funding is itself a punishment. Ideally we wouldn't be punishing people who -by and large- thought they were serving society through a system [that they still probably felt was inadequate in at least some [portion]) and begun pushing funding into our local communities regardless. The actual conversations on Policing are unlikely to be fairly heard by most people, if only because the idea that a group of people exposed to a consistently large amount of danger might be changed via arcane processes to perceive their environment differently from "the rest of us" seems a little too hard for either black communities or whatever-scale PD you have to swallow until it comes time to turn words into weapons and just call the other side bad or something.

E: This is sort of why I've just gone apathetic to politics tho. I don't really want to care about any of the stuff happening, and it's so much more fun to just run with my dog and play.

You tried so hard, but completely missed the point. Its about police brutality, not mc donalds 😃🙈

Yiddish nederland

Sorry for being so loud about my views. Maybe its just diffent up north and y'all dont have it /:
(Police brutality i mean)

Spanelsko

Yiddish nederland wrote:If they are educated, and continue to remain as police officers then they ARE bad.

Keep up the protests, mate and stay safe. Don't let the pigs bully you.

Kalaron-a

Yiddish nederland wrote:You tried so hard, but completely missed the point. Its about police brutality, not mc donalds 😃🙈

Yes, that is certainly a subject matter we're discussing. The issue is that mentioning Mcdonald's targeting black communities because they know that they can abuse the people there by exploiting the lack of proper nutritional food has actually harmed the community in a deep way, beyond something transient (or relatively singular) like Corona. However, the conversation is so hyper-focused on corona that it fails to identify that there's a bigger predator at the heart of the issue (In this case, obesity and food choice).

In the case of police brutality, there is the issue of brutality and then the laws that inspired it. The state itself bears responsibility, alongside the politicians of said state for signing them into law. The hyper-focus on brutality, though, eclipses that conversation though by allowing many of those politicians to get "Brownie Points" by instead backing the protests against police. It also makes it hard for people on either side of the isle to actually hear each other because of inflammatory comments and a habit of ignoring the experiences on the other side. Like how people just call cops bastards for reasoning as simple as "You're a cop and won't say policing is bad" without any consideration of their experiences in the force. That kind of world view is myopic though because it purposely ignores questions like "Why do cops form a silent blue wall" in favor of simple answers like "Because they're b@stards".
I dunno, you said you cared about consideration-of-circumstances when it came to crimes. I figured you'd care about...considering the circumstances behind people's perspective
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yiddish nederland wrote:Sorry for being so loud about my views. Maybe its just diffent up north and y'all dont have it /:
Up here we have it. The difference is based more on a willingness to see nuance rather than total characterization.
(Police brutality i mean)

We have it, and we don't even seem to have that different of an opinion on it. I'm just willing to listen to the explanation of a cop when they're talking about their life-experiences to try to find a better middle ground behind the "good" cops who want society to keep on ticking healthily.

Spanelsko and Yiddish nederland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_FRPoJIrlI

I now declare this bazaar opened.

Yiddish nederland wrote:Sorry for being so loud about my views. Maybe its just diffent up north and y'all dont have it /:
(Police brutality i mean)

You finally start to not be a blind dumbass :p no offence intended, i get where you were coming from. i read both your and kalarons arguments so i won't waste either of our times by adding too much info.

I just want to post a few questions which people seem to ignore most of the time, as well as some of my views.
Will protesting make a change? probably not.
Will protesting backfire? Probably after all people usually will NOT support the side which turns violent first (in this case both sides remained chill but it could have easily escalated)

You mentioned that you live in the lands of Dixie (south USA i mean) increased aggression and violence is something to be expected mainly against minorities due to historical reasons and the general poverty of south compared to north. From experience, my studies and general overview of humanity's retardation people are more prone to violence and generally racism as well in regions which are under developed or poorer then their counter parts.

The general human mindset being "if we are screwed over where we live it must be the fault of someone else" which usually creates a target group to hate for these reasons whether its based on facts or not. Skin colour and religions being the easiest things to target.

Lastly even if you managed to thanks to protests make change in the police it would very likely backfire but that would largely depend on how a change would be made and its results which cannot be predicted.

Additionally just 1 tip, if you scream revolution on top of your lungs you are a borderline terrorist my friend :p
I get that you want peaceful revolution but if not specified in a crowd it can lead to violence and usually revolution is violent as "MOB" mentally usually takes over.

(terrorism definition= politically motivated violence to achieve a change)

Once more i am trying to be neutral but take my words with a grain of salt, after all i hate religion and support state enforced Atheism and i am right wing after all :]

If i were you i give up on trying to change anything and wait until we die sooner or later. Life sucks and we don't matter in the grand scheme of things or history.
Yes i am a massive nihilist :p

If i wrote something weirdly or you want some clarification on what i mean don't mind sending me a tgm or continue this debate here, i am very tired when writing this due to several days of sleep deprivation. - Span

Yiddish nederland

Spanelsko wrote:

If i were you i give up on trying to change anything and wait until we die sooner or later. Life sucks and we don't matter in the grand scheme of things or history.
Yes i am a massive nihilist :p

No comment on most of the post, but I sort of jib with this IRL. Getting a change in this kind of society is like fighting to keep your place in mud, while someone directs the water where they want. Better to just play with a dog, or read a good book. I recommend all of the Bionicle novels, they're surprisingly loaded with existential horror

Spanelsko

Yiddish nederland

Spanelsko wrote:You finally start to not be a blind dumbass :p no offence intended, i get where you were coming from. i read both your and kalarons arguments so i won't waste either of our times by adding too much info.

I just want to post a few questions which people seem to ignore most of the time, as well as some of my views.
Will protesting make a change? probably not.
Will protesting backfire? Probably after all people usually will NOT support the side which turns violent first (in this case both sides remained chill but it could have easily escalated)

You mentioned that you live in the lands of Dixie (south USA i mean) increased aggression and violence is something to be expected mainly against minorities due to historical reasons and the general poverty of south compared to north. From experience, my studies and general overview of humanity's retardation people are more prone to violence and generally racism as well in regions which are under developed or poorer then their counter parts.

The general human mindset being "if we are screwed over where we live it must be the fault of someone else" which usually creates a target group to hate for these reasons whether its based on facts or not. Skin colour and religions being the easiest things to target.

Lastly even if you managed to thanks to protests make change in the police it would very likely backfire but that would largely depend on how a change would be made and its results which cannot be predicted.

Additionally just 1 tip, if you scream revolution on top of your lungs you are a borderline terrorist my friend :p
I get that you want peaceful revolution but if not specified in a crowd it can lead to violence and usually revolution is violent as "MOB" mentally usually takes over.

(terrorism definition= politically motivated violence to achieve a change)

Once more i am trying to be neutral but take my words with a grain of salt, after all i hate religion and support state enforced Atheism and i am right wing after all :]

If i were you i give up on trying to change anything and wait until we die sooner or later. Life sucks and we don't matter in the grand scheme of things or history.
Yes i am a massive nihilist :p

If i wrote something weirdly or you want some clarification on what i mean don't mind sending me a tgm or continue this debate here, i am very tired when writing this due to several days of sleep deprivation. - Span

"I want state enforced atheism" ahaha no❤🥰✡ 🤩😹🕎😍✡

Spanelsko

Yiddish nederland

Spanelsko wrote:You finally start to not be a blind dumbass :p no offence intended, i get where you were coming from. i read both your and kalarons arguments so i won't waste either of our times by adding too much info.

I just want to post a few questions which people seem to ignore most of the time, as well as some of my views.
Will protesting make a change? probably not.
Will protesting backfire? Probably after all people usually will NOT support the side which turns violent first (in this case both sides remained chill but it could have easily escalated)

You mentioned that you live in the lands of Dixie (south USA i mean) increased aggression and violence is something to be expected mainly against minorities due to historical reasons and the general poverty of south compared to north. From experience, my studies and general overview of humanity's retardation people are more prone to violence and generally racism as well in regions which are under developed or poorer then their counter parts.

The general human mindset being "if we are screwed over where we live it must be the fault of someone else" which usually creates a target group to hate for these reasons whether its based on facts or not. Skin colour and religions being the easiest things to target.

Lastly even if you managed to thanks to protests make change in the police it would very likely backfire but that would largely depend on how a change would be made and its results which cannot be predicted.

Additionally just 1 tip, if you scream revolution on top of your lungs you are a borderline terrorist my friend :p
I get that you want peaceful revolution but if not specified in a crowd it can lead to violence and usually revolution is violent as "MOB" mentally usually takes over.

(terrorism definition= politically motivated violence to achieve a change)

Once more i am trying to be neutral but take my words with a grain of salt, after all i hate religion and support state enforced Atheism and i am right wing after all :]

If i were you i give up on trying to change anything and wait until we die sooner or later. Life sucks and we don't matter in the grand scheme of things or history.
Yes i am a massive nihilist :p

If i wrote something weirdly or you want some clarification on what i mean don't mind sending me a tgm or continue this debate here, i am very tired when writing this due to several days of sleep deprivation. - Span

But we can atleast TRY to leave a positive impact on the world. Its just dumb to not attempt to do anything culturally productive while where here. Also, both the big goverment, state and rightwing terrorists have already turned peaceful protests violent. People are just being willfully ignorant i think.

Spanelsko

Just gonna.... Go focus on my nuclear stockpile for the upcoming Apocalypse.

Spanelsko and Yiddish nederland

Yiddish nederland wrote:But we can atleast TRY to leave a positive impact on the world. Its just dumb to not attempt to do anything culturally productive while where here. Also, both the big goverment, state and rightwing terrorists have already turned peaceful protests violent. People are just being willfully ignorant i think.

WARNING= EXTREMELY DEPRESSING STUFF FROM ME UNDER THIS (not really but i don't want to ruin everyone's day with my fuc*ked up view of the world :p )

I think everyone is at fault really, no matter which wing you align yourself with all sides even moderates are ultimately retarded and will fail to reach a peaceful solution, i mean yeah i get the idea of at least trying, but from my point of view i gave up already few years back on life because i have seen time and time again that no matter what happens, people will never change and society will always be too ignorant before everything will ultimately blow up in everyone's face and we will repeat this cycle again and again.

The more i learn about the world of today and historical foundation for it, the more i became apathetic to everything.

Yiddish nederland wrote:"I want state enforced atheism" ahaha no❤🥰✡ 🤩😹🕎😍✡

I believe that for humanity to ascend beyond its current form we need to achieve several things,

1: Eradicate religion which is impossible as science will be the new religion. As will be some other alternatives (birth of Christianity, Islam and Judaism as examples of when this happened before) as people want meaning in their life and religion is 1 of the options that provides said meaning.

2: United World Government (united humanity essentially) in a confederate manner (1 human nation that is made out of highly Autonomous nations)
The problem is that at least until 2080 this will be impossible to achieve, if ever

3: Complete reformation of human society, science and well being of humanity as a whole should be our number 1 priority, and not exploiting each other and screwing ourselves over by splitting earth into 3 groups like cold war. (China and friends, America and friends, and the third group being nations that role play Switzerland and pretend to not exist)

4: End of political fighting, right and left should cooperate for the benefit of all and not be stuck in their groups of "right is wrong cause i am left" and "left is wrong cause i am right"
But this too is impossible for a long time, as people will always seek to use politics to further their own agenda or to have a reason to hate others.

Disclaimer: All of this is from my point of view as mentioned before, so grain of salt should be taken into consideration as my views are 100% biased as they are mine.

If you want to present your own ideas feel free i don't mind reading through them. This btw is a lot smaller version of all my ideas and views as i don't want to write for several hours manifesto of why i am right and people should think like me :p I am not THAT egoistic.

Yiddish nederland

Russkov Soviet wrote:Just gonna.... Go focus on my nuclear stockpile for the upcoming Apocalypse.

remember to always build more nukes comrade

Russkov Soviet and Yiddish nederland

Yiddish nederland

Spanelsko wrote:WARNING= EXTREMELY DEPRESSING STUFF FROM ME UNDER THIS (not really but i don't want to ruin everyone's day with my fuc*ked up view of the world :p )

I think everyone is at fault really, no matter which wing you align yourself with all sides even moderates are ultimately retarded and will fail to reach a peaceful solution, i mean yeah i get the idea of at least trying, but from my point of view i gave up already few years back on life because i have seen time and time again that no matter what happens, people will never change and society will always be too ignorant before everything will ultimately blow up in everyone's face and we will repeat this cycle again and again.

The more i learn about the world of today and historical foundation for it, the more i became apathetic to everything. I believe that for humanity to ascend beyond its current form we need to achieve several things,

1: Eradicate religion which is impossible as science will be the new religion. As will be some other alternatives (birth of Christianity, Islam and Judaism as examples of when this happened before) as people want meaning in their life and religion is 1 of the options that provides said meaning.

2: United World Government (united humanity essentially) in a confederate manner (1 human nation that is made out of highly Autonomous nations)
The problem is that at least until 2080 this will be impossible to achieve, if ever

3: Complete reformation of human society, science and well being of humanity as a whole should be our number 1 priority, and not exploiting each other and screwing ourselves over by splitting earth into 3 groups like cold war. (China and friends, America and friends, and the third group being nations that role play Switzerland and pretend to not exist)

4: End of political fighting, right and left should cooperate for the benefit of all and not be stuck in their groups of "right is wrong cause i am left" and "left is wrong cause i am right"
But this too is impossible for a long time, as people will always seek to use politics to further their own agenda or to have a reason to hate others.

Disclaimer: All of this is from my point of view as mentioned before, so grain of salt should be taken into consideration as my views are 100% biased as they are mine.

If you want to present your own ideas feel free i don't mind reading through them. This btw is a lot smaller version of all my ideas and views as i don't want to write for several hours manifesto of why i am right and people should think like me :p I am not THAT egoistic.

But thats the thing with Reform Judaism.... the whole thing is that scienece and religion shouldn't be opposing entities but instead one and the same. Also that "end of political infighting" thing could turn into literal and metaphorical book burning real quick. Also im not religious because i want meaning, because i know im insignificant, im religious just because it makes sense. I do agree with you on the whole 1 nation thing, though. I would alsp like to note, that many Reform Jews are also Humanists. And i, a staunch leftist would not want to work with a alt rightist because there likely anti simetic. Its just alt right amd left views are just so ridiculously different that your vision just seems way to idealistic. Moderate rightists are okay tho.

Lavan Tiri and Spanelsko

Yiddish nederland

What im trying to say is that conservative and liberal views of the future and what is best for society and individuals are so diffrent that to eradicate political infighting you'd have to ki*l everyone. That seems a little extreme, i know, but I'm not wrong.

Lavan Tiri and Spanelsko

Yiddish nederland wrote:What im trying to say is that conservative and liberal views of the future and what is best for society and individuals are so diffrent that to eradicate political infighting you'd have to ki*l everyone. That seems a little extreme, i know, but I'm not wrong.

Depends on how you define "in-fighting", IMO. A little friendly banter around the dinner table, or some passion in people's views, isn't so bad and could effectively be written off. People being so up each other's @ss is the result of a lot more than simple view-point divergence, though, and it could probably be rectified in a number of ways without needing wholesale extermination. If there weren't effectively two hyper-charged media arms for the parties, for instance, there'd be less deliberate inflammation in our society. Hell, even just removing "Political Comedy" shows might force people to settle down somewhat, since it doesn't help the country to heal if you have a constant, never-ending stream of "funny" insults being generated and spread to people (typically late at night, when they won't fact-check what they hear or really give a second thought). After all, why think about what the other side is saying when you could just accept it in it's most absurd possible way and make fun of the dude who said it?
The other bit would be if the Media actually remembered that they have to report on facts and not make hype, of course. More technical experts would be a given, since most journos are about as educated beyond their field as a seventh grader, but that's even less likely than political comedy coming off the air. Why tell people those boring and lengthy technical facts (Stuff like the Defense Production Act being quite literally useless in the modern day since it was *supposed* to be applied to an Industrial economy whereas seventy years later we no longer have the capacity to just surge production on whatever we want) when there's more juicy sound-bytes in hearing someone bemoan the lack of usage of said act?

I don't even think the goals of the two sides are too different to achieve synergy at some point, but people will have to unlearn a lot of their inherent biases to achieve it, and considering the state of political discourse around the globe, I doubt that it'll happen.

Lavan Tiri and Spanelsko

Spanelsko

Yiddish nederland wrote:But thats the thing with Reform Judaism.... the whole thing is that scienece and religion shouldn't be opposing entities but instead one and the same. Also that "end of political infighting" thing could turn into literal and metaphorical book burning real quick. Also im not religious because i want meaning, because i know im insignificant, im religious just because it makes sense. I do agree with you on the whole 1 nation thing, though. I would alsp like to note, that many Reform Jews are also Humanists. And i, a staunch leftist would not want to work with a alt rightist because there likely anti simetic. Its just alt right amd left views are just so ridiculously different that your vision just seems way to idealistic. Moderate rightists are okay tho.

You actually caught on the idealistic part, because what i believe will happen in reality is not what i want to happen.
Above i mention what i want for humanity, what i actually believe will happen is basically the opposite.

In my fully realistic view i see only 2 realistic futures for humanity.

Humanity will be united under a Dictatorship be it right wing or left wing and humanity will thus be ruled with an iron fist.
The second option i see is that we will kill ourselves and take the planet with us in a nuclear war.

Anything else is uncertain and who knows what will actually happen, however these 2 scenario's is what i believe we are heading towards.

EDIT:
so yes all i see is dystopian future for our race :p
And second this is the first time i heard of reformed Judaism, although i do think i saw you mention it before. Might give it a read tomorrow if i have the time.

Lavan Tiri and Yiddish nederland

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