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Mercunova wrote:You're being awfully nice. I'm not satisfied that he knows where he is.

I didn't want to bring up Biden's mental state, given how we don't have a diagnosis or anything concrete, but it does give me concern ngl.

Bearlong wrote:I didn't want to bring up Biden's mental state, given how we don't have a diagnosis or anything concrete, but it does give me concern ngl.

The mental state of any and all politicians should be called into question at all times.

Only psychopaths could desire power over other human beings.

Gualimole wrote:You also need to consider the immorality of giving Trump a second term. Even if you don't like Biden, you have to acknowledge that Trump has undoubtedly been worse.

I don't acknowledge that Trump has undoubtedly been worse.

Gualimole wrote:Do you think any Democrat would have supported the travel ban and separating children from their parents?

Yes. The Obama-Biden administration arrested thousands of undocumented parents, separating them from their kids [1]. And, separately, allowed numerous parents to be deported without their children, leaving the kids in US foster systems [2].

Oh, and Obama-Biden locked kids up in cages [3].

1. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/parents-deportation_n_5531552
2. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/15/immigration-boy-reform-obama-deportations-families-separated
3. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/joe-biden/fact-checking-biden-use-cages-during-obama-adminis/

Gualimole wrote:And politics isn't just about what makes you feel the most morally pure, it's also about gradually moving towards the accomplishment of your goals, which a second term of Trump won't achieve.

If you think that I'm doing this simply to soothe my own soul, then you may need to re-evaluate your political perspective. I'm actually kinda offended.

Gualimole wrote:Many of those accusations involved women being uncomfortable with how Biden touched them, not assault. And at the start of his campaign, Biden apologized for it and promised to change his behavior.

I didn't mention assault for that very reason. Biden's apology was the usual hogwash that we've come to expect from people that have been "Me Too'd", with no actual substance or even giving the appearance of apology.

Gualimole wrote:Also, Tara Reade's allegations have been quite weak, with the NYT report into it not finding any corroborating evidence from other Senate aides. And since the allegation has been made, Biden has called for full transparency, even calling for Senate records to be released to try to see if a complaint had been filed in the first place. However, once Biden tried to do that, Reade changed her story and said her report didn't mention sexual assault.

Some victim blaming bullshıt if I've ever seen it. I'm not even gonna get into the weeds of the post-traumatic effect of rape and how they apply here, because you're clearly aware of them and are choosing to ignore them. On the records, you're right, Biden did call on the Secretary of the Senate to release the relevant records. He did that two months ago and—to my knowledge—they haven't released anything yet, not even saying that there's no record. Now, we don't need to wait for the Senate Secretary, given that the University of Delaware keeps it's own set of records that may or may not contain relevant information. Of course, we don't know if that relevant information is in UDel's archives because they haven't released anything. I'm sure Biden, so confident of his innocence, could easily call upon the Senate or the University to hurry up, but he hasn't.

Gualimole wrote:Not only that, but immediately replacing Biden after the allegation was made before any in-depth investigations were made into it is ridiculous. Stop trying to take advantage of the Reade allegation to replace a nominee that you don't like for political reasons.

I'll ignore the insinuation that I only care about women when it suits my political purpose and remind the House that false rape allegations are insanely rare, amounting as low as 2 per cent [4], though I'll recognize the difficulty in measuring that statistic.

4. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684

Bearlong wrote:I didn't want to bring up Biden's mental state, given how we don't have a diagnosis or anything concrete, but it does give me concern ngl.

Mercunova wrote:The mental state of any and all politicians should be called into question at all times.

Only psychopaths could desire power over other human beings.

I think one of the problems is you shouldn't have people in charge of your country that are in the grave age.

Gualimole wrote:Many of those accusations involved women being uncomfortable with how Biden touched them, not assault.

Also—and this genuinely pisses me off—this implies that it's somehow okay for the former Vice President of the United States to touch women in a manner that makes them uncomfortable. It's not that hard to find the memes about how handsy Joe is, do you seriously think that is the behavior of someone who should be President?

hey the region really is reviving, we're even having arguments on the RMB again!

Penguania and Antarctica wrote:I think one of the problems is you shouldn't have people in charge of your country that are in the grave age.

Agreed. Having age minimums on federal office was a dumb idea and only serves to ensure that only septuagenarians can have the keys to power. In fact, in the 115th Congress (2017-19), Republican congressional leadership was actually younger on average than their Democratic counterparts [1]. Of course, it took the vote of young progressives to drive down the average age, almost like we're a significant voting bloc that should be taken seriously [2].

1. https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-insights/the-115th-congress-is-among-the-oldest-in-history/
2. https://www.bustle.com/p/the-average-age-of-congress-in-2019-will-drop-dramatically-thanks-to-newly-elected-millennials-13124359

Bearlong wrote:Also—and this genuinely pisses me off—this implies that it's somehow okay for the former Vice President of the United States to touch women in a manner that makes them uncomfortable. It's not that hard to find the memes about how handsy Joe is, do you seriously think that is the behavior of someone who should be President?

WRT Senate Records, the last I heard they basically said they had no right to do so. Or they asserted a different office had the authority but that office directed them in a circle too. I dunno, I just find it really hmmst that he didn't push for his papers to be released from the Uni that had them. If there *was* anything in there to corroborate her account, I'm sure it's gone now :/

Kalaron-A wrote:WRT Senate Records, the last I heard they basically said they had no right to do so. Or they asserted a different office had the authority but that office directed them in a circle too. I dunno, I just find it really hmmst that he didn't push for his papers to be released from the Uni that had them. If there *was* anything in there to corroborate her account, I'm sure it's gone now :/

I'll be fair, I'm not fully up to date on the latest developments. You're right, though, if he was innocent he should have pushed for those records to come out to prove his innocence. Biden is hardly the first person to come under fire for similar things and you'd think he'd be aware of the pitfalls by now. The frustrating thing is that you're right, it's unlikely for anything to come of this, either because "it happened too long ago" or due to conspiracy.

Bearlong wrote:I don't acknowledge that Trump has undoubtedly been worse.

Yes. The Obama-Biden administration arrested thousands of undocumented parents, separating them from their kids [1]. And, separately, allowed numerous parents to be deported without their children, leaving the kids in US foster systems [2].

Oh, and Obama-Biden locked kids up in cages [3].

1. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/parents-deportation_n_5531552
2. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/15/immigration-boy-reform-obama-deportations-families-separated
3. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/joe-biden/fact-checking-biden-use-cages-during-obama-adminis/

Your own source from Politifact states, "We’ve noted that Obama did not have a policy to separate families arriving illegally at the border, and that separations under Trump happened systematically as a result of his administration’s policy to prosecute all adults crossing the border illegally." There was no policy of family separation under Obama.

What the Trump Administration did was place undocumented children and undocumented parents in separate facilities. However, your first source notes that the separations mentioned are not related to that, but rather relate to undocumented parents being deported while their US citizen children are allowed to stay. While that is a tragedy, deporting a US citizen is also highly questionable. In those kinds of situations, tough choices have to be made. And remember that the Obama Administration mainly targeted those with a criminal record and recent arrivals of undocumented immigrants, which is to be contrasted with the zero-tolerance policy of this administration.

Bearlong wrote:If you think that I'm doing this simply to soothe my own soul, then you may need to re-evaluate your political perspective. I'm actually kinda offended.

I didn't mention assault for that very reason. Biden's apology was the usual hogwash that we've come to expect from people that have been "Me Too'd", with no actual substance or even giving the appearance of apology.

Some victim blaming bullshıt if I've ever seen it. I'm not even gonna get into the weeds of the post-traumatic effect of rape and how they apply here, because you're clearly aware of them and are choosing to ignore them. On the records, you're right, Biden did call on the Secretary of the Senate to release the relevant records. He did that two months ago and—to my knowledge—they haven't released anything yet, not even saying that there's no record. Now, we don't need to wait for the Senate Secretary, given that the University of Delaware keeps it's own set of records that may or may not contain relevant information. Of course, we don't know if that relevant information is in UDel's archives because they haven't released anything. I'm sure Biden, so confident of his innocence, could easily call upon the Senate or the University to hurry up, but he hasn't.

I'll ignore the insinuation that I only care about women when it suits my political purpose and remind the House that false rape allegations are insanely rare, amounting as low as 2 per cent [4], though I'll recognize the difficulty in measuring that statistic.

4. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684

The University of Delaware has records of Biden, but they're not organized and they won't be so for another year. Even if they agreed to hand the specific evidence they have available forward, they would likely only be able to do so after the election. In addition, your own article states that the 2-10 percent figure doesn't include cases where the assault claim wasn't proven to be either true or false. And regardless of the statistics, it doesn't change the fact that the evidence for this specific case is quite weak. And I don't see how that's Biden's fault.

Gualimole wrote:Your own source from Politifact states, "We’ve noted that Obama did not have a policy to separate families arriving illegally at the border, and that separations under Trump happened systematically as a result of his administration’s policy to prosecute all adults crossing the border illegally." There was no policy of family separation under Obama.

You're right, there was no policy of family separation under Obama. That doesn't dispute the fact that Obama separated families. Liberals don't care for these families, they simply care that Trump is being so open and brazen about it.

Gualimole wrote:In those kinds of situations, tough choices have to be made.

You're right, tough choices do have to be made. My point is that Obama-Biden made the wrong choice and the Democrats don't seem to give a damn.

Gualimole wrote:In addition, your own article states that the 2-10 percent figure doesn't include cases where the assault claim wasn't proven to be either true or false.

I'll invite you to re-read my last sentence in that post, where I mention the difficulties to get these figures.

Bearlong wrote:You're right, though, if he was innocent he should have pushed for those records to come out to prove his innocence.

And to be clear, I get that the records are tied up in red tape atm, my issue is that Biden isn't even bothered by that.

Bearlong wrote:And to be clear, I get that the records are tied up in red tape atm, my issue is that Biden isn't even bothered by that.

Don't forget how Dodd, of the "Waitress Sandwich" scandal with Ted Kennedy, is one of his close friends in Washington...just like Ted Kennedy was. Or how he happened to offer Dodd a position in his campaign (On his VP selection committee, IIRC) all the while. Somehow I get the feeling that someone who admits he grew up wanting power and hanging around sexual predators *might* just fill the "usual suspect" picture. Mind, IMO, Epstein had his fingers in almost every pie in Washington.

Kalaron-A wrote:Don't forget how Dodd, of the "Waitress Sandwich" scandal with Ted Kennedy, is one of his close friends in Washington...just like Ted Kennedy was. Or how he happened to offer Dodd a position in his campaign (On his VP selection committee, IIRC) all the while. Somehow I get the feeling that someone who admits he grew up wanting power and hanging around sexual predators *might* just fill the "usual suspect" picture. Mind, IMO, Epstein had his fingers in almost every pie in Washington.

Fun Fact: Ted Kennedy's corpse is incorrupt. It has nothing to do with the paranormal; it's all from the enormous amounts of booze.

Mercunova wrote:Fun Fact: Ted Kennedy's corpse is incorrupt. It has nothing to do with the paranormal; it's all from the enormous amounts of booze.

Lmao
The man knew how to keep a drink down, now if only he let the drink keep him down ;p

Unrelated note: I've decided on a "National Animal" for Scifi-Kalaron. Vorton Harmonic "Mice". In essence, cosmic strings that loop over themselves become a cosmic loop instead. Once so, charged loops are stable whereas uncharged loops use up all their energy as gravity and shrink apart. (<---real physics)
The bit I've added on is that Quantum lifeforms can exist that run along this loop. They feed off the charge stored in the loop and provide extra rigidity to it. They're harmonic because there's always an even number of "opposed" mice on these structure for counter-balancing, and because they can control the splitting of a Loop like a cell by subdividing. These also, incidentally, are one of the only means of detecting inactive Vortex Vorton Network exits (My instant FTL method from Ages Long Ago (TM)) ;p

Unfallious wrote:hey the region really is reviving, we're even having arguments on the RMB again!

It's not an argument, Bear is absolutely right and that's the official CoFN government position.

Lavan Tiri wrote:It's not an argument, Bear is absolutely right and that's the official CoFN government position.

So, we really looked within ourselves and then decided the Joaquin Phoenix among us should seek elected office?

Also hi guys

Continental Commonwealths wrote:So, we really looked within ourselves and then decided the Joaquin Phoenix among us should seek elected office?

Also hi guys

Also I’m old so if this is more of an insult than I realize then, I dunno, flay me with my own criminal code

Continental Commonwealths wrote:So, we really looked within ourselves and then decided the Joaquin Phoenix among us should seek elected office?

Also hi guys

You callin' me a clown, mon cher?

Lavan Tiri wrote:You callin' me a clown, mon cher?

If the comedically large shoe fits, mon petit tête de laitue

Continental Commonwealths wrote:So, we really looked within ourselves and then decided the Joaquin Phoenix among us should seek elected office?

Also hi guys

ContComm! Good to see you again!

Continental Commonwealths wrote:So, we really looked within ourselves and then decided the Joaquin Phoenix among us should seek elected office?

Also hi guys

dude when did you get back??

Continental Commonwealths wrote:If the comedically large shoe fits, mon petit tête de laitue

Shob tebe deti v sup srali

Fellow citizens

I can share with you the following schedule for the July-November 2020 term of the regional government. It will be placed into a spreadsheet as well and is subject to change.

Schedule of Events
July-November 2020 Term

First Session - 5 July - 5 September

Imperium - 5 July - 5 August - Merc

*Referendum on Section 4, Article VI of the Constitution*
Regional Poll - 10 - 15 July

Imperium - 5 August - 5 September - Lavan

*Midterm Election of the Speaker*
Candidacy - 24-31 August
Election - 1-4 September

Second Session - 5 September - 5 November

Imperium - 5 September - 5 October - Merc

Imperium - 5 October - 5 November - Lavan

*November 2020 General Election*
Candidacy - 24-31 October
Election - 1-5 November

This calendar is in accordance with constitutionally scheduled and required events. It will occasionally be updated to involve other regional events as deemed necessary.

Signed,

☿ Merc
Primary Consul

Lavan Tiri
Secondary Consul

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