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Aye

idk if i'm allowed to vote for myself, which is why i hadn't voted. but i am lodging a vote of abstain.

sorry for the ping if you already voted, but i noticed there wasn't an on-site ping so i am doing that now

Aye

Edit: thanks for the second ping, I needed it.

With 8 MPs and 6 votes, we now have quorum - and a 5/6 majority. Though it took multiple days, the Speaker election is now concluded and Snalland is elected Speaker. Congratulations, Snalland.

Great. We are now discussing the petition to recall the House of Commons.

Purpose:
The purpose of this petition is to require the House of Commons to debate and vote on the recall of the entire chamber as per the rules laid out in law.

Why:
House business has been severely delayed due to the inactivity of the Lower Chamber, which is clear when viewing the ongoing Speaker Election. With almost three days clocked in by the time of the writing of this petition, less than 50% of the entire chamber has voted. This showcases a clear issue and poses concern for how the House will conduct business for the rest of the term.

Signatories
Snowflame
The Ambis
Creckelenney
Sevae
Obalostan
Brototh
Ermica
Rayekka
Santa Marana
Ashlawn
Sma Cyrillic
Thaecian Chanku
Xedon

Read factbook

I voted within two hours of the vote being opened, so I am not quite sure why I should be given a penalty similar to those who failed to vote within 2 or 3 days. However, if the House still carries on with the plan to recall all the members, including me, I would rather resign than be the subject of a recall that was precipitated by an action for which I share no blame.

Of altonianic islands, The Bigtopia, Toerana V, and Orang Moku

For the record, I don't think most of us should be recalled. If we decide to vote in favor of this petition, I am convinced that we would not be able to fill up the newly empty house. We've wasted enough time on the speaker vote as is, and I think we should be moving forward onto discussing the legislation that has passed the Senate.

However, we have to discuss this petition and I think we should all at least consider the possible benefits that having a new House could bring. I can't think of any at the moment, but if anybody else has something, I'd be glad to hear it.

Of altonianic islands, The Bigtopia, and Toerana V

I don't think that's fair to the rest of us that voted for the election as soon as we saw it. I know that ICH, Toerana, and I were the first MPs to vote. I don't think it's fair to us for doing our job correctly. In addition, I believe it's the end of the fall college semester, so I think we should all be a bit forgiving to everyone

Of altonianic islands

I sponsor Senator Snowflame to speak.

Of altonianic islands

Thaecia

Quite literally, I voted minutes after the vote opened. And that's with all the IRL stuff that forced me to resign the speakership in the first place. Do you honestly think we'd be able to fill every seat in the House if everything was recalled? I know I probably wouldn't run again and I'm probably the most active MP here.

Of altonianic islands

Thaecia

The Islamic Country of Honour wrote:I voted within two hours of the vote being opened, so I am not quite sure why I should be given a penalty similar to those who failed to vote within 2 or 3 days. However, if the House still carries on with the plan to recall all the members, including me, I would rather resign than be the subject of a recall that was precipitated by an action for which I share no blame.

Sorry for the double post, but I firmly share this sentiment. I will resign instead of being subjected to this.

I would resign as well. I don't think it's fair to recall everyone over one mishap, especially if they have a consistent record otherwise

Justizpalast wrote:With 8 MPs and 6 votes, we now have quorum - and a 5/6 majority. Though it took multiple days, the Speaker election is now concluded and Snalland is elected Speaker. Congratulations, Snalland.

for future reference, i do not believe we need to reach quorum for a speaker election.

Thank you Mr. Speaker and I want to wish you congratulations for winning the Speaker Election.

I understand the concerns from some of the more active MPs. In fact, I have publically supported a lot of the more active MPs; However, the amount of active MPs is too few in between. It took the House five days to vote on one speaker candidate, not because it was a tough choice, but because less than half of House members were active enough to vote. We have important positions that need to be filled and important policies that need to be passed, but nothing will get done if we spend 5 days on each and every vote because a majority of MPs cannot vote.

The active MPs, if they so choose to run for reelection after my petition passes, have absolutely nothing to worry about. Why?

Thaecia knows who is active and who is not. The MPs who are inactive will definitely vote against this petition or not vote at all for that matter, but it will only delay an outcome of what everyone already sees. Thaecia sees an inactive House, 13 people have signed on to the petition because they want a solution to what is happening. The active people by and large will be getting reelected; but, why should we have to spend the rest of the term with a majority of inactive MPs when someone else can do the job with confidence and enthusiasm?

No one, absolutely no one, blames the entire house for what's happening. But, the "entire house" consists of a majority of MPs who cannot do the job. We need to start fresh with an active crowd, including the current active MPs, and get stuff done. That is why this petition needs to be passed.

If you want a majority of MPs gone then remove those MPs, recalling the entire house because of a few.... a majority of bad eggs is dumb. Active folks shouldn't be taken out as part of the trash, they should be left to stay.

Plus, the active folks are gonna vote nay because they feel it's unfair to them, and the inactive folks aren't gonna vote aye. Just do a traditional recall smh

Of altonianic islands

Thaecia

After discussing it with Snowflame I think my mind has been changed.

This isn't a "recall" because the active MPs have done something wrong; this is a snap election because the House is fundamentally broken right now. If every active MP, myself included, ran for reelection, we'd almost certainly win. In addition, this gives more active Thaecians a chance to join the House. This isn't a collective punishment hurting those who deserve to be here, it's a remedy to get more active people involved.

I will be voting Aye on this. I encourage my fellow active MPs to do the same and to run for reelection in the ensuing election.

Snowflame wrote:Thank you Mr. Speaker and I want to wish you congratulations for winning the Speaker Election.

I understand the concerns from some of the more active MPs. In fact, I have publically supported a lot of the more active MPs; However, the amount of active MPs is too few in between. It took the House five days to vote on one speaker candidate, not because it was a tough choice, but because less than half of House members were active enough to vote. We have important positions that need to be filled and important policies that need to be passed, but nothing will get done if we spend 5 days on each and every vote because a majority of MPs cannot vote.

The active MPs, if they so choose to run for reelection after my petition passes, have absolutely nothing to worry about. Why?

Thaecia knows who is active and who is not. The MPs who are inactive will definitely vote against this petition or not vote at all for that matter, but it will only delay an outcome of what everyone already sees. Thaecia sees an inactive House, 13 people have signed on to the petition because they want a solution to what is happening. The active people by and large will be getting reelected; but, why should we have to spend the rest of the term with a majority of inactive MPs when someone else can do the job with confidence and enthusiasm?

No one, absolutely no one, blames the entire house for what's happening. But, the "entire house" consists of a majority of MPs who cannot do the job. We need to start fresh with an active crowd, including the current active MPs, and get stuff done. That is why this petition needs to be passed.

I'll let the honourable Senator know if we actually end up dissolving the House and thus punishing those who did nothing wrong, I atleast won't be standing for the re-election (I don't know about the others) because there's no guarantee I won't have to take the fall for my colleagues' actions the next term as well. So, I would rather not waste my time in fighting another election most probably. Sorry if I sound too harsh. Consider me out of the running for this hypothetical re-election.

Of altonianic islands

Thaecia

I sponsor Ashlawn and Brototh to the floor.

idk anymore fam

Snalland wrote:for future reference, i do not believe we need to reach quorum for a speaker election.

Not true. IV.V

Section V - In order for any vote of either chamber to pass, at least half of its members must have voted.

Sub-section I - Only aye, nay, abstain, and votes for chamber leader candidates shall count as votes for the purposes of this section.

Constitution explicitly says "any vote", and goes on to explicitly reference chamber leadership votes. The only vote that arguably doesn't need quorum is this vote to dissolve the House, but that's due to tradition more than text. Textually, any vote needs quorum, no matter what.

Thank You Of altonianic islands for sponsoring me.

I urge all MPs to vote AGAINST the motion to dissolve this body and I say this as someone who signed the original petition. What took place during the speakership vote was disappointing and I believe that MPs needed a wake up call that this type of behavior was not and is not ok. I believe that purpose has been fulfilled by forcing the House to debate this issue through this petition and I hope that MPs will now serve in a manner that meets the expectations of this deliberative legislative body. I believe that forcing a snap election will do more damage to this House and it is for these reasons I ask MPs to vote Nay on the motion to dissolve this body.

Of altonianic islands

Thaecia

Ashlawn wrote:Thank You Of altonianic islands for sponsoring me.

I urge all MPs to vote AGAINST the motion to dissolve this body and I say this as someone who signed the original petition. What took place during the speakership vote was disappointing and I believe that MPs needed a wake up call that this type of behavior was not and is not ok. I believe that purpose has been fulfilled by forcing the House to debate this issue through this petition and I hope that MPs will now serve in a manner that meets the expectations of this deliberative legislative body. I believe that forcing a snap election will do more damage to this House and it is for these reasons I ask MPs to vote Nay on the motion to dissolve this body.

Lemme get this straight.

You signed a petition to force a vote on this motion, a motion which has only been debated by the active members who aren't at fault, because you felt we needed a wake up call? And now you think simply debating the motion is enough of a wake up call that you're explicitly calling for us to vote against the petition you signed?

Perhaps this phrase isn't proper for the House floor, but "lolk" comes to mind.

If we vote against this, the only result will be wasted time. Zero change will happen, since this so called "wake up call" has literally only been debated by the most active MPs. If your goal was a wake up call, having us vote Nay would be an utter failure.

If you really wanted to make a statement about inactivity, maybe, I don't know, recall the MPs actually responsible? Personally, I think the situation is bad enough to warrant a full snap election, but using this petition as a statement instead of a solution to severe, chronic problems of inactivity that can't be resolved by recall is in substantial poor taste. Really no bueno honestly.

I feel like I'm active enough, and I bring up discussion every now and again. I do see only about half the MPs vote within the time frame, but that doesn't seem reason to recall EVERYBODY.

This entire resolution sounds like a horribly thrown-together resolution over a minor issue. Since we need a "wake up call," why don't we recall all of the signers for punishing all of us for no reason? Such a grave mistake should be met with with some recourse afterall

I'd agree that the right solution would be recalling the MPs who haven't been active. The petition calls for collective punishment. And if this thing gets through, I'm completely with The Islamic Country of Honour. I wouldn't stand for that election either. Admittledly, I'm standing on more shaky moral ground than he is - I've been a bit busy and it took a while on that last vote to get on NS, but generally I think I've been fairly active here. I'll probably be voting nay.

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