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People, do not worry: it was a cargo of fertilizer that had been confiscated in 2016, and thanks to the damned gears of bureaucracy, forgotten in the harbour. Leave it for a while in a place without any care, BOOM, explosion.

Nodenpuff

Good evening! We are honoured to receive this event, as our embassies established. The states of Kogaion, proudly salute your flag! May our regions thrive and manifest within mutual harmony!

KOGAION Foreign Affairs Apparatus

Nodenpuff wrote:Yall hear about that explosion in Lebanon? God have mercy on that poor nation.

Autochthonia wrote:People, do not worry: it was a cargo of fertilizer that had been confiscated in 2016, and thanks to the damned gears of bureaucracy, forgotten in the harbour. Leave it for a while in a place without any care, BOOM, explosion.

Still pretty bad though no matter what was. Hope the government there takes a long hard look at their procedures.

Nodenpuff

Well isnt this a pickle. Have you thought Malazan Empire / Parakka about maybe seeing if there is some type of Role Play organisation we could join a bit like the Defender / Raider organisations?

Alternatively could we consider joining a bigger region in some fashion that maybe does RP but not in a major way? For example do the Internationals or Black Hawks do RP or have members who might be interested, we dont raid or defend so its not like we would be stepping on their toes and could work out as a mutually beneficial arrangement.

If not i would would be in favour of restoring the founding regions as lets be honest there was a massive culture class that hadnt been anticipated due to the merger.

Timmer why are you in favour of keeping TMA?

Forestavia, Parakka, Laharao, and Triwen

Whilst I think this region has promise, I think with activity being so low it would be better to reform SA and TMC and our respective communities focus on them. Tbh this merger despite the hype, the benefits hasnt work. I dont want to say its anyone persons fault but more a group effort, in that activity hasn't really been boosted by it. Not to mention the lack of integration by the two communities.

Forestavia and Laharao

Forestavia

My executive order 2020.3 (4-5)

"4. The Lunar Council may vote to separate from SA/The Mystical Alliance. A 60% majority or better of active Lunar Councillors will be sufficient.
5. If passed, the Lunar Council may proceed to rebuild The Mystical Council from scratch."

The Olde Lunar Council must vote on this. Separate from The Mystical Alliance and rebuild TMC from scratch???? We need 5 out of 7 votes to make it happen. I recorded Vedan and Parakka as IN FAVOR because of how they voted in the poll up above. We need two more votes to resurrect the old TMC.

Alistia - ?
Vedan - YES
Pyrosky - ?
Parakka Northland - YES
Oakplumington - YES
Exotic lemon - YES
Gyuamno - ?

I haven't been active because I've been fighting for our rights in real life. This whole covid thing is a fake thing that they're using as a trojan horse for some sinister agenda.

Don't believe what the mainstream media is telling you. Something is really wrong with this whole "covid" situation.

Forestavia wrote:I haven't been active because I've been fighting for our rights in real life. This whole covid thing is a fake thing that they're using as a trojan horse for some sinister agenda.

Don't believe what the mainstream media is telling you. Something is really wrong with this whole "covid" situation.

What are you talking about?

Laharao wrote:What are you talking about?

I'm talking about the virus being used as an excuse to take away our human rights. It's a worldwide conspiracy that governments are using against us. I don't believe this is a pandemic. And we need to stand up and say No New Normal!

Forestavia wrote:I'm talking about the virus being used as an excuse to take away our human rights. It's a worldwide conspiracy that governments are using against us. I don't believe this is a pandemic. And we need to stand up and say No New Normal!

Bro, you're making yourself look silly like this. I know people who have died from it, multiple people in my extended and intermediate family had it. This is no conspiracy. Governments don't need pandemics to take away rights, but this is the one time where I believe that restricting people's individual freedoms is needed for the greater good.

How does someone simply look at all the evidence of a pandemic and say "nope".

You do not have the freedom to endanger other people's lives.

Laharao wrote:Bro, you're making yourself look silly like this. I know people who have died from it, multiple people in my extended and intermediate family had it. This is no conspiracy. Governments don't need pandemics to take away rights, but this is the one time where I believe that restricting people's individual freedoms is needed for the greater good.

How does someone simply look at all the evidence of a pandemic and say "nope".

You do not have the freedom to endanger other people's lives.

I guess we disagree. The numbers don't add up and the government has gone too far. I'm not going to let someone else's fear dictate how I live. Quality of life is more important than "safety". That's where I stand. The suffering caused by the restrictions is worse than if we would have just let the virus run it's course. We've actually caused more suffering to ourselves by overreacting to this virus than the virus ever could have done by itself.

Forestavia wrote:I guess we disagree. The numbers don't add up and the government has gone too far. I'm not going to let someone else's fear dictate how I live. Quality of life is more important than "safety". That's where I stand. The suffering caused by the restrictions is worse than if we would have just let the virus run it's course. We've actually caused more suffering to ourselves by overreacting to this virus than the virus ever could have done by itself.

Yeah, you're right. The numbers don't add up. The number of actual cases is most certainly way higher if you value any scientific information whatsoever. Our government has done a bad job in protecting people's lives, that's for sure. The suffering has gone on so long because we did our lockdown completely wrong.

Nobody overreacted. Herd immunity has been proven to not work and would not have worked in this situation which has been said time and time again. I don't get how hard it is to understand that if everyone had run rampant our entire medical system would have been overwhelmed. People dying was not the issue. The overrunning of our medical system was.

Laharao wrote:Yeah, you're right. The numbers don't add up. The number of actual cases is most certainly way higher if you value any scientific information whatsoever. Our government has done a bad job in protecting people's lives, that's for sure. The suffering has gone on so long because we did our lockdown completely wrong.

Nobody overreacted. Herd immunity has been proven to not work and would not have worked in this situation which has been said time and time again. I don't get how hard it is to understand that if everyone had run rampant our entire medical system would have been overwhelmed. People dying was not the issue. The overrunning of our medical system was.

Overrunning the medical system was never an issue. There are doctors in my country who have lost their jobs simply for standing up and telling the truth about what's worked for their patients. So if this was really a "pandemic", why would they fire doctors working in an "overwhelmed" health system? Hm? Maybe it's because it's not a pandemic. Maybe it's because the hospitals really aren't overwhelmed the way they thought they were going to be.

I'm telling you, something is not right with this. Our governments are walking us toward medical fascism which is just a hop, skip, and a jump away from genocide. You might disagree with me now and that's okay. But I'm encouraging you to keep asking questions, keep paying attention to the narratives that they're pushing. I don't wear a mask because I know in my heart and in my gut it's the right thing to do. You might think me a fool because I'm not doing what the "science" says. But when you start digging and you see how politicized the "science" really is, that wakes you up real fast. No new normal for me. I want my life back. At the moment we are living in a world that isn't worth living in. And I really mean that. I hope enough people wake up and see the truth the way I see it because if they don't I might not live to see the end of the year. My mental health has declined a lot since these measures were put in place. I call bullshit on these Covid restrictions. Let people live their lives. Every person has the right to make their own choices. I want my freedom back and I want it back now. I'd rather die than bend my knee to the "New Normal". That's how I feel about it.

I'm sick and tired of living like this. I can't think straight. I can't concentrate. I'm always either anxious or angry. I'm living with suicidal thoughts nearly everyday.

This so-called "pandemic" ends when the people rise up and tell their governments that it's over. I'd rather get the virus than live the way I've been living since March. For that matter, I'd rather get the virus and DIE than keep living the way I've been living.

I wish more people would rise up and question the narrative. Something is really off about the way the world has handled all of this. I'm telling you. Something isn't right. There is more to the story than what they're telling us.

And it really pisses me off to see how we're treating the elderly, hospital patients, and children. Don't even get me started on the psychological damage they are doing to children with these restrictions in schools. I could probably go on a rant on that topic all by itself.

I feel strongly about this...

The pandemic is definitely real. But the government is also definetly using it to gain more power for themselves and there benefactors. Like that law that makes it illegal to evict people for instance, it has definitely helped out renters during this crises. However it has nothing included to assist the landlord and that's by design. There hoping that the renters will stop paying rent to there landlords now that they cant be evicted and the landlords wont be able to pay there mortgages forcing banks to foreclose on there property's. The bank will have to sell the homes for cheap because there will be a glut of supply and the wealthy will use the opportunity to snatch up all these homes at a discount rate while the rest of the nation is still recovering from all the damage covid has done to our economy.

Forestavia

Also on a side note what do yall think about what's going o with USPS? I've seen on youtube that they've been carting off public mail boxes in broad daylight across the country. And then theres all this talk about "running out of funding" right before the election. I knew that mail in voteing was a bad idea, its obviously being used to rig the election.

Solar Administrator wrote:Founder's Executive Order 2020.1 - Precautionary Measures to Protect Rights of SA Affiliates

The purpose of this law is NOT to encourage a schism but to prevent it. 2020.1 should be used as a last resort only.

For the duration of the merger a permanent government will be put in place as a backup plan in case the merger fails. (And it won't fail because it's going to be the most successful merger in all of NS history, but I digress...) The government of SA under its original title will consist of a permanent five member The Solar Alliance Security Council consisting of Timmer, De anglo dutch union, New wilhelmsland Triwen (appointed due to longstanding within the region and to make an odd number) and The united russian republic. Elections will no longer be held.

The Solar Alliance Security Council, as a collective body, reserves the right to declare independence from The Mystical Council, The Mystical Alliance, or any other associated regions.

Recommended guidelines.
1. The concerns of SA members should be voiced through the proper channels according to SA/TMA laws, protocols, and/or traditions.
2. If it is felt that the proper channels are not working even after proper protesting and due patience have been given, then the The Solar Alliance Security Council may hold a meeting here in Solar Alliance and draw up an official request on behalf of SA affiliates.
3. If the terms of the request are taken seriously then no further action is needed. If they are not then proceed to step 4.
4. The Solar Alliance Security Council may vote to separate from TMC/The Mystical Alliance. A 60% majority or better of active The Solar Alliance Security Council will be sufficient.
5. If passed, the The Solar Alliance Security Council may proceed to rebuild The Solar Alliance from scratch.

Founder's Executive Order 2020.2 - SA Founder and The Mystical Alliance Accountability Act

In the event the Lunar Council chooses to initiate order 2020.1 AND if the process makes it all the way to step five, all of Solar Administrator's 2020 executive orders shall be declared null and void.

Founder's Executive Order 2020.3 - Previous Government System Declared Null and Void

1. Once the merge with The Mystical Council is declared official, all previous laws, traditions, and government systems will be rendered null and void.

2. Upon completion of the current running poll (if those in favour have the majority) the merge with The Mystical Council will be considered official and complete. Any opposed will have their concerns addressed and accommodated to the best of our ability ("our" being Solar Alliance Security Council, Forestavia, and I).

Legislation Author Oakplumington
Adapted by Solar Administrator

I forgot all about the above executive order... so looking at the Security Council votes

Timmer - No
De anglo dutch union - Yes
New wilhelmsland - Yes
Triwen - Yes
The united russian republic

As such whilst the poll will continue to run till its conclusion the Security Council of the Solar Alliance has decided to vote for independence from The Mystical Council and The Mystical Alliance.

Anyone who wishes to go over to Solar Alliance may do so.

Forestavia

Vedan wrote:Also on a side note what do yall think about what's going o with USPS? I've seen on youtube that they've been carting off public mail boxes in broad daylight across the country. And then theres all this talk about "running out of funding" right before the election. I knew that mail in voteing was a bad idea, its obviously being used to rig the election.

There are definitely some shady things going on in America right now. Between the mainstream media cheering on race riots and demonizing cops, to the corona virus lockdown, to this weird post office election situation, to online censorship, to doctors losing their jobs for speaking the truth. For the voting thing, I agree with Trump. I think we should vote in person with an ID. I feel like that's an easy common sense way to prevent fraud.

I don't like the things I've been seeing these past six months. I am really starting to get angry. I'll be honest with you I think this might be by design. Whoever is behind the agenda wants America as divided as possible. I think they might be trying to instigate a civil war. They want racial tension, tension between citizens and cops, they want mask vs no mask, they want Democrats fighting Republicans, vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. I feel like this all by design. And it's worldwide too. They're setting us up for something. The question is what? and why? What are they up to? Why do they want us so scared, divided, and separated from each other? What's in it for them?

I bet somebody somewhere somehow is making a lot of money off of all this artificially-created suffering.

Forestavia wrote:There are definitely some shady things going on in America right now. Between the mainstream media cheering on race riots and demonizing cops, to the corona virus lockdown, to this weird post office election situation, to online censorship, to doctors losing their jobs for speaking the truth. For the voting thing, I agree with Trump. I think we should vote in person with an ID. I feel like that's an easy common sense way to prevent fraud.

I don't like the things I've been seeing these past six months. I am really starting to get angry. I'll be honest with you I think this might be by design. Whoever is behind the agenda wants America as divided as possible. I think they might be trying to instigate a civil war. They want racial tension, tension between citizens and cops, they want mask vs no mask, they want Democrats fighting Republicans, vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. I feel like this all by design. And it's worldwide too. They're setting us up for something. The question is what? and why? What are they up to? Why do they want us so scared, divided, and separated from each other? What's in it for them?

I bet somebody somewhere somehow is making a lot of money off of all this artificially-created suffering.

Can I offer an outsider view of what is happening in the US?
I'm from Brazil, and noticing the in-fighting in the US, only one question popped up in my head:

"WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING THERE?"

Really, what the hell is happening over there? Ignorance being accepted as truth (COVID-19 being seen as a lie or Chinese plan, refusal to wear medical masks because "muh fredumz", seeing the quarantine as a "theft of freedom", etc), the people defending the police (knowing very well that police kill innocent people left, right and center, combining this with gratuitous police violence for no other reason then "I wanted to do it"), religious charlatains and conspirationalists being given more attention then scientists, having a president that has openly shown himself as a moraly dirty individual (and still carry on being a moraly dirty individual), and in place of caring for the more disenfranchised amongst you, you go and DEFEND THE CARROT-MEN?

Sincerely, we here are no better (we have Bolsonaro, after all), but for f*cks sake, the idea that the COVID is a lie is not real - my own father is a doctor, and there are days that I can see when multiple people had died of COVID and he could do nothing to stop it (in fact, thanks to this quarantine, he aged 10 years in a few months).

Do you wanna know who is profiting from this political division?

Check "Millenium", the world-wide right-wing think-tank. They literaly came into existence because they could not win any political or financial position of importance since 2006 - the time were left-wing governments begun to ascend all over the planet.

Laharao and Triwen

It's a real virus that 99.98% of the population can survive. I'm with the freedom movement. Because I know that freedom's more important than safety. I'm not going to demonize people who wear masks. If they want to they can. But the freedom to choose comes from the individual. The government has no right to mandate what you do with your body.

Regarding the alliance, it looks like there's been a shift in the votes. Are people thinking about giving the alliance another chance? I don't think it matters what we do to be blunt. Solar Alliance and The Mystical Council were both dying off when we merged. I could go either way with this. My vote is going to be based off of the TMC's Lunar Council. If there aren't enough Lunar Councillors in favor in 2 days I might switch my vote.

Forestavia wrote:Regarding the alliance, it looks like there's been a shift in the votes. Are people thinking about giving the alliance another chance? I don't think it matters what we do to be blunt. Solar Alliance and The Mystical Council were both dying off when we merged. I could go either way with this. My vote is going to be based off of the TMC's Lunar Council. If there aren't enough Lunar Councillors in favor in 2 days I might switch my vote.

I think the due to SA members returning to SA its changed the vote total

Forestavia and Nodenpuff

Forestavia wrote:Regarding the alliance, it looks like there's been a shift in the votes. Are people thinking about giving the alliance another chance? I don't think it matters what we do to be blunt. Solar Alliance and The Mystical Council were both dying off when we merged. I could go either way with this. My vote is going to be based off of the TMC's Lunar Council. If there aren't enough Lunar Councillors in favor in 2 days I might switch my vote.

Personally I view it as this. You are entirely correct in saying that the populations of both were experiencing inactivity and that was the whole purpose of the merge in the first case. We as people, as human beings, are growing and getting older. Its a fact of life that we are changing but nothing it changing here. Everything is the same or a sorry attempt to change which just ends up complicating. Now that we are together, returning will only increase activity as the player base for both regions lessen. Whats done is done and nothing can change the merger. I believe the succession is a nail in the coffin for a player base who wants activity and the feelings that these regions once gave. Out of all the PM's, no slander whatsoever, not one government had done anything really. Nobody has put in any work. If nobody is putting in the effort here, why would they put in the effort in their old home regions which now need more rebuilding because they were left behind. If any action is to be taken, I think that we need to incorporate more Mystical council government, whilst stimulating roleplay through well documented (dispatches) and easy enough to understand roleplay and timeliness so that new players aren't discouraged and we can encourage a healthy roleplaying environment. There's many more details that need to be worked out but in my opinion this is what needs to happen, what should happen, and how I feel about the seemingly imminent succession crisis.

Forestavia, Nodenpuff, and Parakka

Thanks for sharing your perspective, Civ.

Civilisunio

We are one vote away from the Lunar Council declaring independence. I just need to hear from one other member to make it official. Gyuamno, Alistia, Pyrosky/Malcholm.

Forestavia wrote:My executive order 2020.3 (4-5)
Pyrosky - ?

Since you made the effort to shout halfway across the world at a dead man, it'd behoove the dead man to at least do the bare minimum and haunt you for life 😛

I'm so far departed form active participation in these regions that I find it difficult to cast a vote either way, but I won't take it upon myself to impede your path. My vote is yes. I would, however, like to reiterate and expand on Civ's opinion: the primary way this community has survived has been by constantly reinventing itself, moving around, shifting objectives, and generally causing a ruckus for people attempting to actively participate in the community. The people you want are already here, what needs to happen are inspired, community driven efforts towards manual recruitment, integration, and organic community building. I feel like a broken record saying these things, but the reason regions like TGW have been so successful has been by fostering offsite activities for people who aren't particularly interested in playing NationStates, the game. Some people lose interest in roleplay or regional politics much faster than they expect, and disappear because they feel like they can't keep contributing in any meaningful way. TGW is the only place I stuck around when I burnt out and needed to completely focus in on college (technically, I still do, but we're mostly online now so I have time 😪). The founder of the region has been streaming Dragon Age on their Discord server as a community 'Let's Play' to get people familiarized with the series and lore the region is built around. No on-site participation required, just show up, watch, and have fun. Much of the conversation on their server has nothing to do with NationStates, we talk about games, sports, anime, and TV we're currently watching, and anything else that interests us. Sometimes it's hockey, sometimes it's a digital Tim Burton exhibit. Many members of the current command structure are also members of other orgs and communities outside of our niche of R/D, and participate in regional politics and roleplay to build relationships and continue expanding the region's influence. TMC/TMA/SA's network of regions doesn't seem to do much in this regard, and people that do branch out tend to be drawn off to other larger communities. It's a tricky thing to balance, but a concerted effort from the people that have stuck around here might do wonders for activity. We tried everything, but I don't think we ever stuck with or put enough effort into a single method long enough for it to work.

I do think TMC and SA should stay integrated. Branching back out will only take people their separate ways and squander the effort that was put into TMA. On the other hand, focusing back in on TMC/SA would be a reaffirmation to the commitment I'm suggesting the community needs. Ugh, it's a tricky one. You all should do what you feel is right, but stick with it. Shifting around so often can be exhausting.

Forestavia, Nodenpuff, and Parakka

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