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I've just joined the WA for the first time and endorsed Zhong-guo.

Nice to meet you Westran china & Zhanzheng de Guang

Zhanzheng de Guang wrote:A lot of new friends in the region lately.

And new regional officer titles making it more political. Where did Infamous Glare go?

I'm in favour of leaving the region as it was.

I've decided to resign for now, though I may come back :) Perhaps I can jump in again... As for how the region is going, perhaps we could try make it less political?

Phew* Very much did some cleaning as planned for the region, though the citizenship application is entirely up to you.

Dongguo wrote:It depends on what the citizenship will involve. If it is WA only then I vote no. If it is meeting other criteria I vote yes.

No WA requirement at all. This is an open application for the residents here. As for long-term residents who have been here for a while , it is entirely optional for you to consider as such.

Dongguo wrote:You can also use the NS forums for region coordination/role play pages. Means not having to go off site because some players don’t seem to like that.

Xingyun Heping wrote:I absolutely agree with having some sort of citizenship.

I also believe we are a group should create either an off-site group chat or Discord!

Xingyun Heping wrote:That's true, but you don't get real-time notifications and doesn't seem super convenient to me :/

We could consider an off-site forum or Discord likewise, NS forums are doable but you can get lost fairly easily with other things going around. We'll do another poll after our second polling is completed.

We could but I do not like NS forums :(



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So you have finally ended up in our beautiful and enjoyable region known as China! Well before you start, read the RMB Guidelines and related stuff given below. The RMB Moderators (People's Council Members) and The Big 4 (Here; Founder, State Councillor, Vice Councillor, and Councillors) are in charge of keeping the RMB Safe and Clean. Failure to Comply with the rules would get you warned, kicked or maybe Banned!


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I need your thoughts for how our region should model on especially dispatches. ^^

Zhong-guo wrote:Phew* Very much did some cleaning as planned for the region, though the citizenship application is entirely up to you.

I need your thoughts for how our region should model on especially dispatches. ^^

Granted I'm usually quiet here, but I must say I like what you've done. My politics probably require no mention, but I've always enjoyed that this region was focused on China culturally and historically rather than politically. Zhong-guo, I respect that you've included China natives in officer positions to help protect our region. And I like the dispatch you have there.

I think this is a good step forward.

Zhanzheng de Guang wrote:Granted I'm usually quiet here, but I must say I like what you've done. My politics probably require no mention, but I've always enjoyed that this region was focused on China culturally and historically rather than politically. Zhong-guo, I respect that you've included China natives in officer positions to help protect our region. And I like the dispatch you have there.

I think this is a good step forward.

Thank you very much ^^ It was time to add the natives into the position.

China is region that should be focused on culture and related to history.

I will be amending later with the RMB Rules.

Yes I agree. I think it will widen our appeal & activity if we have a more inclusive / broader spectrum of Chinese history/politics etc.

That doesn't mean CCP things need to go, but rather that we incorporate other aspects of Chinese culture, history, religion, etc.

That's just my two yuan 🙂

Xingyun Heping wrote:Yes I agree. I think it will widen our appeal & activity if we have a more inclusive / broader spectrum of Chinese history/politics etc.

That doesn't mean CCP things need to go, but rather that we incorporate other aspects of Chinese culture, history, religion, etc.

That's just my two yuan 🙂

We could ^^

People say my nation mass imprison and tortures people who disagree with me no they just disappear for 17 to 30 years or just never reappear again nothing bad happens I swear.

People Republic of Campuc wrote:People say my nation mass imprison and tortures people who disagree with me no they just disappear for 17 to 30 years or just never reappear again nothing bad happens I swear.

Nothing happens? ;D If our poll is declared a tie, we’ll IGNORE the process of establishing the citizenship until further notice.

Xingyun Heping wrote:Welcome back Zhong Hua Min Zu !

See? ;D He came back!

I’ve had few send Telegrams expressing concern :L

Update 1: Hopefully you like the Constitution of China as promised ^^

So now that we have our Founder back, what's next?

Xingyun Heping wrote:So now that we have our Founder back, what's next?

We relax or chat :D

Zhong-guo wrote:We relax or chat :D

I love it!

This is a question I'd like to posit to everyone here!

What is your favorite period in Chinese history?(modern day is OK as an answer.) Why is it your favorite?

Xingyun Heping wrote:

It depends on who you ask.

A Chinese with liberal tendencies would say Spring and Autumn Period/ Warring States Period (Part of the Eastern Zhou Dynasty 771 BC -221 BC).

Mainly because of the 100 Schools of Thought, such as Legalism, Confucianism, Daoism, Moism, School of Yin Yang, School of Diplomacy, Agriculturalism etc. were all vying for dominance. This created a environment akin to Europe in the 18th century. Some Chinese liberals even argued that if China stayed fragmented, Chinese would be rich like Europe. A very naïve and misguided view.

Chinese nationalists would pick Han Dynasty (202 BC - 220 AD)

After all, this Dynasty was the first golden age of an unified China, and gave the Han ethnicity its name.

They would especially love Emperor Wu of Han, who’s responsible for all the Xiongnu raids, and those of Xinjiang. Han Dynasty also have this austere, pure and simple yet regal aura about them, many would consider them to be pure and unaffected by barbarian influences.

The mainstream Chinese would prefer Tang Dynasty (618 AD - 907 AD).

This is because some aspects of Chinese culture such as poetry have reached its zenith during this period.

Tang Dynasty also had a flourishing commercial sector, though not as vibrant as the following Song Dynasty. Tang era poems described Chang’An, (modern day Xi’An) as a city that never sleeps.

Individual city wards would close their neighborhood gates at night, but each ward is a self contained mini city with many night activities. In fact the idea of night market first appeared during Tang Dynasty. Perhaps such nightlife can only be represented properly by Modern day Xi’An (historic Chang’An). Tang Dynasty had an aura of extravagance and cosmopolitan feel to it.

This cosmopolitan openness of society translated into the liberation of Women.

If you’re a women in Imperial China, then Tang Dynasty would be your golden age. Tang dynasty’s founding was in part thanks to the bravery of Princess Ping Yang. (The daughter of Li Yuan, the founder of Tang dynasty, people called her the Warrior Princess.)

She led an armed rebellion near the Capital of Sui Dynasty (the dynasty preceded Tang Dynasty), echoing her father’s rebellion in the city of Taiyuan in Northern China.

She had captured several cities in Central China, eventually raised an army of 70,000 men to rendezvous with his father and husband.

The Intellectuals (also pseudo intellectuals ) would prefer Song Dynasty (960 AD - 1279 AD).

This is because Song Dynasty emperors are famous for being mostly gentle, and sometimes very passive aggressive.

This is embodied in 3 stories, They all have something to do with the First Emperor of Song Dynasty, Emperor Taizu of Song.

The first story:

Emperor Taizu, birth Name Zhao Kuangyin, rose to power through “The Yellow robe incident”, Yellow robe represents the color and clothing of the Emperor. To wear it is to usurp and ascend the throne

Zhao Kuangyin was a powerful General of the Later Zhou Dynasty (951 AD - 960 AD)

The last Emperor of Later Zhou, ascended to the throne at the age of 7 in 959 AD.

One day in 960 AD. Words of Northern Barbarian invasion reaches the capital. General Zhao Kuangyin, was ordered to lead an army to meet the barbarians.

According to Official Song Dynasty records, his subordinates brought along a yellow robe for the campaign. One morning when the army was about to begin marching for the day, his subordinates forced General Zhao to wear the yellow robe and proclaimed him Emperor. Of course he refused many times before finally putting it on.

The Second Story:

After Emperor Taizu of Song became emperor. One day he had a banquet with his generals, who had stood by his side since the beginning.

Emperor Taizu suddenly started crying, his generals startled and asked him why would he cry.

The emperor replied: “Ever since I took the throne, I can’t sleep at night”

His generals all exclaimed: “Why is that?”

Emperor Taizu sobbed: “I took the throne as a general, encouraged by my subordinates. How can I rest easy knowing you guys can do the same to me?”

Every one of the generals immediately knelt and cried. “How can we do such a thing, if you can’t rest easy please take our rights to command the troops”

His generals begging to take their troops away. Any other emperor of any other dynasty would’ve just taken their troops away or execute the generals.

Third Story:

Emperor Taizu hated his officials chit chatting when the Imperial court is in session. So to prevent his officials from chit chatting by whispering to each other, he basically trolled the entire court.

You know that giant horizontal wing at the back of the hat? According to Legend. One day Emperor Taizu started wearing this type of hat in court. The officials thinking it’s a new fashion statement, they started wearing them too.

But they quickly realized, if they try to get close to another person’s ear and whisper, they would poke the other person in the eye. Emperor Taizu’s descendants all seemed to have inherited this rather gentle and passive aggressive nature.

Many Emperors of Song dynasty have some type of artistic achievements, Emperor Huizong of Song dynasty is even considered to be one of the greatest artist in ancient China.

Too bad he was terrible at governing the country. This was also one of the common trait among Song Emperors, they’re just not forceful enough, and always taken advantage of.

And of course there’s the truck loads of inventions made during Song dynasty!

Song dynasty politics is filled with in-fighting and partisan politics between political Parties. The guy walking, is the member of the Party that fell out of favor with the emperor, while the guy riding the horse is still in power.

The guy walking shields his face with his fan, as he couldn’t bear to look at the guy riding the horse. While the official still in power were curiously leaning in to have a closer look at his former political rival.

Turbulent politics caused by Emperors that were too busy admiring art works than ruling the Empire.

Song Dynasty was probably when Chinese takeaway first appeared as well…

In terms of Aesthetics, Song Dynasty is much more toned down compared to their predecessor Tang Dynasty…

For the Chinese that hates the Qing Dynasty (1644 AD- 1912 AD), Ming Dynasty (1368 AD - 1644 AD) is their favourite.

Ming Dynasty is often the target of a “what if” scenario, this is because they coincided with the beginning of the rise of the West and the age of discovery. People who loves Song dynasty hates Ming Dynasty. Because Ming Emperors are the opposite of Song Dynasty Emperors.

Story Time!

Chinese Emperors governs the empire through work reports and suggestions submitted by local governors and officials. The Emperor would read it and write a reply on general directives approving or disapproving.

In the early days of the Ming Dynasty, there is this assistant minister of Justice, called Ru Taisu. He’s a capable official, but he has a bad habit of submitting work reports that are too long, and oftentimes too convoluted. Usually work reports should be few hundred Chinese characters upto 1000 Chinese characters long. Emperors would have to read through dozens if not hundreds of them, so keep it short and concise.

Ru Taisu always submits work reports that are 7 to 8 thousand words long.

One day in December 1375, Ru Taisu submitted a work report that are over 17,000 characters long. Emperor Hongwu can’t be bothered reading it. So he asked his secretary to read it to him. After the secretary have read about 16,000 words Ru Taisu’s report still didn’t get to the point.

So Emperor Hongwu called for Ru Taisu and caned him 50 times. Only after the Secretary have read about 16,500 characters, did the work report finally mentioned the important points.

Emperor Hongwu shouted at Ru Taisu: “You little rascal, deserve a beating for writing 17,000 characters for points you could have addressed in 500 characters.”

Ming Emperors also like to use extrajudicial agencies to rule the Empire.

You also have Jin Yi Wei, or Embroidered Uniform Guards. They are the secret police of Ming Dynasty, They answer to the Emperor personally.

They can also act as Political Commissars attached to an army to ensure their loyalty to the Emperor. It is said, when you see their badge, it’s like seeing the Emperor.

Say what you will about Ming Dynasty, they certainly have cool sounding top secret agencies that every boy would want to be a part of. OK, maybe not the Eastern Depot.

Ming Dynasty is also known to be the pinnacle of Classical Chinese literature

3 of the 4 great classics, The Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Water Margin, and Journey to the West were all written during the Ming Dynasty. and the last one Dream of the red chamber was written during the following Qing Dynasty about the rise and fall of a rich family in the Ming dynasty.

Fun fact: Ming Dynasty style Hanfu is the BEST selling Hanfu today, even surpassing Tang Dynasty Style Hanfu, so at least in terms of fashion, modern Chinese prefers Ming Dynasty over any other.

Chinese that love Imperial Palace dramas (mostly girls), tend to prefer Qing Dynasty (1644 AD - 1912 AD).

The Qing Dynasty records are the closest to modern day. So, many of the imperial Palace stories and intrigues are based around this period, simply because there are more source materials.

But of course Qing Dynasty being Manchu in origin and was blamed for the Century of Humiliation, so they aren’t that popular.

I personally think other Chinese dynasties wouldn’t have fared much better against the industrialized nation states of the West.

Qing Dynasty Emperors were famous workaholics, dedicated and all of them very well educated, it’s just that they faced an enemy no other Chinese dynasties ever faced.

Disregarding the West, Qing Dynasty had a very effective policies of pacifying the other nomadic barbarians like the Mongols.

Its policies against the border regions of the Empire were so effective, it surpasses all other Chinese dynasties that came before it.

As a result of these effective policies, Qing Emperors gave Modern China its current borders.

The Elephant in the room is the Mongol Yuan Dynasty (1271- 1368)

This is easy, no one likes Yuan dynasty, not even the Chinese at the time, it only lasted 97 years. basically the granddad saw the founding of Yuan dynasty, and the grandson would’ve seen its collapse.

Of course there’s the odd Genghis Khan fanboy in China that likes Yuan.

However, Yuan Dynasty did saw the rise of many Chinese opera styles, nearly all the Opera styles of China today can trace its direct lineage back to around the Yuan Dynasty.

This is because Yuan Dynasty didn’t like to use ethnic Han intellectuals in government, so they all retired to their estates in Southern China and wrote poetry, dramas and operas...

Finally The big daddy Qin Dynasty (221 BC -206 BC)

The shortest of the unified Chinese dynasty, but the MOST influential.

• First to unify China,

• First to standardize the writing system.

• First to standardize cart gauge and thus road width

• First to abolish the Feudal system that had been in place for nearly 1000 years at the time.

• First to standardize the measurements.

Qin dynasty marked a pivotal point in Chinese history, ever since Qin dynasty, China is and always will be seen as a unified country.

Mao was a great admirer of Emperor Qin Shihuang, the first Emperor of China.

Mao once said in a poem, “A hundred generations we’ve practiced Qin laws and politics.”

In the face of the First Emperor, even Mao sound a little defeatist.

Legalism is a political philosophy that were popularized by the Qin Dynasty, and is still being used today by the Chinese government.

Legalism combined with Confucianism and Socialism forms the bedrock of Chinese politics.

Not so honorable mentions the Republic of China (1912- 1949)

Some Chinese who hates the current government prefers this period, They somehow equates the handful of famous intellectuals of this period to a “Golden age of China” calling it the age of Grand Masters, or the Golden Decade of the Republican era.

Sure, there were some influential thinkers, but it’s not out of the norm for any Chinese periods. The thing these people disregard is the fact that 80% of the society of ROC were illiterate, from that low of a base any educated elite would appear to be a sage.

I personally don’t see any redeeming qualities about the Republic of China. Judging by modern standards, it was an incredibly inept government.

Conclusion: So yeah… it’s complicated.

Wow, fantastic answer. Does anyone else have thoughts?

Xingyun Heping wrote:Wow, fantastic answer. Does anyone else have thoughts?

Well, as a Westerner from Norway, but interested in China and Chinese culture, I think Deng Xiaoping, was a truly great leader for China and important for making China what it is today, when it comes to its development, wealth and robustness, as a nation. A man with a great vision, for the future, from a Chinese perspective.

The Cultural Revolution of Mao was a disaster though, before Deng's period. Deng is famous for saying that Mao was "70 percent right and 30 percent wrong" in his decisions. Which I believe is a fair statement.

Time will tell, when it comes to Xi Jinping. A man with a big vision for the future, with no doubt. But still has challenging obstacles ahead of him, which he needs to solve. The question is; Will he solve them?

CCP China wrote:Well, as a Westerner from Norway, but interested in China and Chinese culture, I think Deng Xiaoping, was a truly great leader for China and important for making China what it is today, when it comes to its development, wealth and robustness, as a nation. A man with a great vision, for the future, from a Chinese perspective.

The Cultural Revolution of Mao was a disaster though, before Deng's period. Deng is famous for saying that Mao was "70 percent right and 30 percent wrong" in his decisions. Which I believe is a fair statement.

Time will tell, when it comes to Xi Jinping. A man with a big vision for the future, with no doubt. But still has challenging obstacles ahead of him, which he needs to solve. The question is; Will he solve them?

Tell us about Norway! I don't know much about your country 😊

Xingyun Heping wrote:Tell us about Norway! I don't know much about your country 😊

Sure, but where to start...

Norway is today a multicultural society, and is not as homogeneous, as it once was, although the Sami-people has lived in Northern Norway, for as long, as Norwegians with a Germanic origin has lived in the southern parts of Norway.

The Sami-people are historically, a nomadic people, who where the first to live in the northern parts of Norway. And the Sami lives in the northern areas of Sweden, Finland and the Kola Peninsula in Russia, as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sámi_people

Then you have the Kven-people, who descends from Finnish peasants and fisherman, who emigrated to Northern Norway, in the 18th and 19th centuries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kven_people

From the 1970s to the present time, more and more immigrants has come from afar. From the Middle East and Africa and also Eastern Europe, which has altered Norway considerably, and made things more complicated. Norway has been more successful though, when it comes to integration and inclusiveness of these other nationalities, then what Sweden has.

The reason for letting these immigrants come and settle here, is because of the Age Wave, where we need more citizens to be working, paying for the elderly, who now are retired and are retiring, en masse. Which is a result of the baby-boom, after the second world war.

Naturally most couples waited to have kids till the war was over, because of the uncertainty. When the war was over, everyone wanted then to have kids, which resulted in the baby-boom and a big generation, which wasn't a problem there and then, but has become a problem today. But not a problem too big to be solved. I think it will turn out okay, in the end.

If interested, here are three videos from YouTube, which delves into the Norwegian language and its history:

He speaks with a Swedish accent, but I find that charming :)

https://youtu.be/9Lgmvd9NCwk - Norwegian Bokmål: Languages of the World: Introductory Overview

https://youtu.be/syMfLIj2fl4 - Norwegian Nynorsk: Languages of the World: Introductory Overview

And here in this course, they talk like they do, in Eastern Norway :)

https://youtu.be/sR8lBfO3uCA - NORWEGIAN free course 100 lessons + TEXT

Also from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokm%C3%A5l

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nynorsk

中秋节快乐! 🥮
Happy Mid-Autumn Festival! 🥮

Xingyun Heping wrote:中秋节快乐! 🥮
Happy Mid-Autumn Festival! 🥮

中秋节快乐! 🥮
Happy Mid-Autumn Festival! 🥮

Alrighty folks! Time to get involved in Nuclear War soon! Dispatch shall come up soon... We also do need a newspaper dispatch if anyone is interested? Let me know!

Howdy Friends!

HumanFungoos wrote:Howdy Friends!

Howdy!

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