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Numerous currencies wrote:Welcome Asadistan and Zeruel..
Let me intervene...
Who is trying to recreate the 600s Arabia? 600s Arabia recreation means going back to the rule of Sharia. It is Muslims, you might call them misguided. But these misguided people have created one Sharia state after another....The worst was the (unrecognised) Islamic State. In it's heydays, they owned vast tracts of territory, established a Sharia legal system,took over Oil wells & refineries and sold crude & petroleum products in the black market. After the wahhabis of Saudi Arabia, it is Erdogan's Turkey, a NATO power, which is fast metamorphing into a Sharia state with scant regard for minorities.
I can quote verses from the Koran where it is explicitly written not to be friends with Jews and Christians. The intolerance stems out of the Quran. That's why it is very difficult for moderate muslims to criticize the Islamists. The Islamists ( not jihadis, eg Erdogan) quote the Quran to sanctify their actions against other religions whom they club under the derogatory word of Kafir.

It isnt difficult, most moderates dont see the point in denouncing something they clearly arent apart of, this is akin to âsking White Americans to apologize to Native Americans for colonizing America.

Or, they themselves weren’t taught a hateful, and incorrect interpretation. And, being born into the religion, equally lacked understanding.

And I know which you are referencing. In a later chapter it says not to just look at part of the book alone, but as a whole, implying historical and situational context to the timeless principles.

That verse was saying a Muslim shouldn't be friends with nonMuslims who are won’t stop bothering you. https://muslim.sg/articles/can-muslims-befriend-non-muslims
Other verses, commanding the killing of the nonbelievers where they’re found, 2:190, was revealed during an intense battle and wasn't followed after that.

The only school of thought that teaches those verses are eternal are deranged fundamentalists with no understanding of history or Islamic law. Or those with some kind of agenda.

Lastly, most schools of Islamic Law look at the historical prescendent for the severity of the crime, not the punishment. Shariah law, like the constitution, is a living system meant to change with consensus of the believers in a region throughout time.

Sstrayaa

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Numerous currencies

Asadiston wrote:It isnt difficult, most moderates dont see the point in denouncing something they clearly arent apart of, this is akin to âsking White Americans to apologize to Native Americans for colonizing America.

Or, they themselves weren’t taught a hateful, and incorrect interpretation. And, being born into the religion, equally lacked understanding.

And I know which you are referencing. In a later chapter it says not to just look at part of the book alone, but as a whole, implying historical and situational context to the timeless principles.

That verse was saying a Muslim shouldn't be friends with nonMuslims who are won’t stop bothering you. https://muslim.sg/articles/can-muslims-befriend-non-muslims
Other verses, commanding the killing of the nonbelievers where they’re found, 2:190, was revealed during an intense battle and wasn't followed after that.

The only school of thought that teaches those verses are eternal are deranged fundamentalists with no understanding of history or Islamic law. Or those with some kind of agenda.

Lastly, most schools of Islamic Law look at the historical prescendent for the severity of the crime, not the punishment. Shariah law, like the constitution, is a living system meant to change with consensus of the believers in a region throughout time.

Sadly , those derranged fundamentailsts are becoming the norm. Maybe not in the US, but certainly growing in Europe and in majority in Islamic countries.

And Sharia has not meaningfully changed over the centuries. It has to be turned upside down to create a mnodern set of laws fit for the age. Otherwise Sharia will remain a horror for muslims and non-muslims alike.

Asadiston and Sstrayaa

Numerous currencies

Zeruel wrote:Greetings and hail,

I used to belong to the Fascist Union over 4 years ago. I see that the region is no more.

Commies have destroyed The Facist Union and many top fascist regions. Thats their bread and butter. You can stay secure in this region, as we constantly guard it against all evils like Jihadis and Commies.

Numerous currencies wrote:Sadly , those derranged fundamentailsts are becoming the norm. Maybe not in the US, but certainly growing in Europe and in majority in Islamic countries.

And Sharia has not meaningfully changed over the centuries. It has to be turned upside down to create a mnodern set of laws fit for the age. Otherwise Sharia will remain a horror for muslims and non-muslims alike.

No, not really. If the government enforces barbaric laws, and the people cannot oppose the totalitarian government, it’s not really reasonable to blame the religion, or better yet people who have absolutely nothing to do with the violence or politics involved.
That’s a failure on part of the theocracy, we can’t expect authoritarians to listen to what people want.

But, if you’re saying that more Islamic scholars should be encouraging what you term as “liberal” views, than I agree. I’m agreeing with you, but I’m trying to show you that what you’re talking about isn’t the historical standard. Rather, it is itself an innovation, a fairly recent event, beginning in the 1700s, almost 1,100 years since Islam’s creation

There’s already a place for that, Islamic modernism, something that has been around since Islam's creation. Which is itself growing in numbers opposed to the extremism you see as the norm. But modernism/liberalism/democracy etc. it doesn’t sound good for politicians looking to consolidate power by appealing to the religious right. aka conservatives/fundamentalists. Those in countries where that sort of needs to be spread can’t access it because of censorship.

Sstrayaa

Numerous currencies

Arabia has spread its malaise to Europe. More often than not, you would see processions by Muslims in UK, Sweden, France, Germany demanding Sharia in these countries.It is not only aout the theocracy, it's about the common muslim people too. Majority of theseimmigrant Muslims live in ghettos and don't mingle enough with pure Europeans, despite earnest efforts by the govts there. Arabia is exporting Sharia to Europe, Turkey is the midwife. The clash of civilizations is real, however hard liberals ( read that as Commies) or moderate muslims try to overlook it conveniently.
And is there any entity as a "moderate muslim"? No. At the heart of hearts, there is orthodoxy and extremism in several muslims.
The apocalypse will be brought by these Jihadi muslims.

Asadiston and Sstrayaa

Numerous currencies wrote:Arabia has spread its malaise to Europe. More often than not, you would see processions by Muslims in UK, Sweden, France, Germany demanding Sharia in these countries.It is not only aout the theocracy, it's about the common muslim people too. Majority of theseimmigrant Muslims live in ghettos and don't mingle enough with pure Europeans, despite earnest efforts by the govts there. Arabia is exporting Sharia to Europe, Turkey is the midwife. The clash of civilizations is real, however hard liberals ( read that as Commies) or moderate muslims try to overlook it conveniently.
And is there any entity as a "moderate muslim"? No. At the heart of hearts, there is orthodoxy and extremism in every muslim.
The apocalypse will be brought by muslims.

There’s no need for me even to argue with that.
The fact there’s at least 1 billion Muslims in the world, and a possibility a million Jihadists, that are more likely to fight one another. Shows that a typical person who happens to be Muslim wants to wake up, work and sleep just like you do.

You’re saying you want “moderate Muslims,” to apologize for things they have no part in, because you don’t believe that any Muslim can be a moderate. The notion of innocence until proven guilty is an important western value, or have we really came that far from the witch-hunts of the past? If I were to have never told you I was interested in Islam, do you think you’d ever know?

But look, whatever opinion you have, I don’t hate you for it, you’re not the first.
I understand not tolerating intolerance, but you’re coming in assuming I am interested in taking over the world/your region. I’m just trying to get to know you all.
Can we get back into this after, you know, getting to know one another a little? I want to learn more about you all as people and not ideologies. There will be time for that.

Numerous currencies and Sstrayaa

Numerous currencies wrote:Commies have destroyed The Facist Union and many top fascist regions. Thats their bread and butter. You can stay secure in this region, as we constantly guard it against all evils like Jihadis and Commies.

Why is it that the region hates Communism so much? I am unsure where I sit on most political/economic scales.
What economic model do you propose?

Sstrayaa

Numerous currencies

Not at all, Asad, I appreciate your presence in the region. You are our esteemed guest...

Yes, 90% muslims wish to go about their normal routine. I am not a fool not to know that. But even while working and earning you do have a political leaning. What muslims talk of as their religion is a violent political ideology in guise. Koran on one hand and the sword in the other..The very nature by which Islam spread is the cause of the huge trust deficit prevalent amongst other religions.
You can still find the refusal of muslims to assimilate in regions like India where they command a considerable majority. There they are disloyal to the nation and collaborates frequently with India's enemy, Pakistan.In Pakistan, which was born out of undivided India, the Islamic establishment supported by the population, either forcefully converted or banished Hindus, Sikhs and Christians . Even in Indian Kashmir, which is predominantly Muslim, the people ethnically cleansed the Hindus and Sikhs.
Another ten years, you will see chaos in London, Stockholm, Paris and Amsterdam and this will be organized by common muslims like you and me.

Asadiston and Sstrayaa

Numerous currencies wrote:Not at all, Asad, I appreciate your presence in the region. You are our esteemed guest...

Yes, 90% muslims wish to go about their normal routine. I am not a fool not to know that. But even while working and earning you do have a political leaning. What muslims talk of as their religion is a violent political ideology in guise. Koran on one hand and the sword in the other..The very nature by which Islam spread is the cause of the huge trust deficit prevalent amongst other religions.
You can still find the refusal of muslims to assimilate in regions like India where they command a considerable majority. There they are disloyal to the nation and collaborates frequently with India's enemy, Pakistan.In Pakistan, which was born out of undivided India, the Islamic establishment supported by the population, either forcefully converted or banished Hindus, Sikhs and Christians . Even in Indian Kashmir, which is predominantly Muslim, the people ethnically cleansed the Hindus and Sikhs.
Another ten years, you will see chaos in London, Stockholm, Paris and Amsterdam and this will be organized by common muslims like you and me.

Thank you, while you did initiate the discussion of Islam, it is a very Interesting to hear it’s impact on the remainder of the world.
I can empathize.
I know some individuals who worry if the Caucasian people they’re around on a daily basis are racist or not. Despite having a violent past, political power, and relics of the eras a small minority wish to return to,
I tell them similarly there’s nothing to fear. You can say there’s always a potential for destruction, or rather they will always be capable of it. But when it comes down to it it’s the personal relationships you have that matter, not the generalizations. And by living a life only as a reaction to evil gives them legitimacy they seek. Being as intolerant as they are will just make that feedback loop and push things further than they would have been. I don’t doubt that’s how it is in some areas. In fact I know it as fact. But to live paranoid of an entire group of people that always going to be there minding their business just isn’t my style.

Zeruel, Numerous currencies, and Sstrayaa

Good morning everyone.
Anyone's got plans for today?

House of griffindor, Greater New Hispanyoan Empire, and Sstrayaa

Hello.

Asadiston and Sstrayaa

House of griffindor

Asadiston wrote:Good morning everyone.
Anyone's got plans for today?

Busy RL Schedule. Work , work and work. Yesterday, I did a double shift for the first time and it really broke my back.

Asadiston and Sstrayaa

House of griffindor

Gavialis wrote:Hello.

Hello Gavialis, welcome to our region and have a few drinks on the house. You need not pay a farthing.

Asadiston, Sstrayaa, and Gavialis

Much appreciated wizards of Griffindor!

Numerous currencies, Asadiston, and Sstrayaa

Hello!

I don't normally like to kick hornets nests, but can I ask a question...

Are you folk here genuinely identifying as fascists opposed to Islam, or are you just roleplaying as such?

Because you appear to be having a conversation with folk who are genuinely Muslims, rather than roleplaying as Muslims, and it might be good to get some clarity on your actual position.

Just curious.

House of griffindor, Asadiston, and Sstrayaa

Numerous currencies

Middlemidden wrote:Hello!

I don't normally like to kick hornets nests, but can I ask a question...

Are you folk here genuinely identifying as fascists opposed to Islam, or are you just roleplaying as such?

Because you appear to be having a conversation with folk who are genuinely Muslims, rather than roleplaying as Muslims, and it might be good to get some clarity on your actual position.

Just curious.

Firstly congrats on your region getting featured and welcome to our region.you looking for citizenship here or are you just curious?
Anyway, for your information, we are genuinely opposed to Islam , because it has been time and after, proved to be the most violent and intolerant political ideology to have ever existed on earth after Communism.

Sstrayaa

House of griffindor

Middlemidden wrote:Hello!

I don't normally like to kick hornets nests, but can I ask a question...

Are you folk here genuinely identifying as fascists opposed to Islam, or are you just roleplaying as such?

Because you appear to be having a conversation with folk who are genuinely Muslims, rather than roleplaying as Muslims, and it might be good to get some clarity on your actual position.

Just curious.

There are no hornets here. We can debate with logic and restraint. You can find the maniac hornets in the UEI which unfortunately, masquerades as a democratic liberal region, while it is actually an ultra terrorist Islamic supremacy organization and spews venom supporting Sharia and Jihad. The moment someone questions them about their obscurantist religious (blind) beliefs of hatred and supremacy, all hell breaks loose. The most intolerant region ( as expected) in NS.

Sstrayaa

Numerous currencies

House of griffindor wrote:There are no hornets here. We can debate with logic and restraint. You can find the maniac hornets in the UEI which unfortunately, masquerades as a democratic liberal region, while it is actually an ultra terrorist Islamic supremacy organization and spews venom supporting Sharia and Jihad. The moment someone questions them about their obscurantist religious (blind) beliefs of hatred and supremacy, all hell breaks loose. The most intolerant region ( as expected) in NS.

Griffindor... We are in talks with the UEI. So it is better that you do not use words to attack them now. This is a warning. The next offensive comment shall be suppressed.

Asadiston and Sstrayaa

House of griffindor wrote:Busy RL Schedule. Work , work and work. Yesterday, I did a double shift for the first time and it really broke my back.

What sort of work do you do?
I am a landscaper part-time. I also got a work study in the local library, that’s involves check-ins and check-outs, along with maintenance. But I’m a full-time college student. I hope to become high school history teacher. With a literature and philosophy channel on YouTube.

Sstrayaa

Numerous currencies

Welcome Utopia Islamia. For us you are a hero. Luck was not on our side today. But things will not be the same everyday. You had toiled hard. Take some rest here.
Our journey will continue. Let not our failures overcome our quest for more victories.

Sstrayaa

Middlemidden

Thanks for the congratulations but it's not my region. This nation is peripatetic.

I'm neither Muslim nor Communist, but I do have a deep respect for the culture of learning and politeness that is inherent to Islam. In my life I've disagreed with Muslims on many things, not least the existence of God. However, in terms on intolerance and close mindedness, I have seen in only a small proportion, comparable to that found amongst Christians and atheists.

I find your Islamophobia disappointing, but I am glad you have chosen to engage in discourse.

I would note also that UEI are neither militant nor jihadist, and as an atheist humanist I have had a nation there for almost a year now, and always felt accepted and included. It is your region that is bearing hatred, not theirs.

Asadiston and Sstrayaa

Utopia islamia

Numerous currencies wrote:Welcome Utopia Islamia. For us you are a hero. Luck was not on our side today. But things will not be the same everyday. You had toiled hard. Take some rest here.
Our journey will continue. Let not our failures overcome our quest for more victories.

Thank you. I wish I had been successful. But we will move forward and work hard to bring down regions greater than the Islamic Empire.

Zeruel, Numerous currencies, Asadiston, and Sstrayaa

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