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Anarchy paradise

Gypsy Lands wrote:What do you think we should do, if anything?

I can't see why you shouldn't have embassies with whatever region you want: the region is yours, you decide what to do with it. Besides, having an embassy with a region doesn't necessarily mean that we support their political ideas. I'd just ignore that, unless the private telegrams conversation you had with that nation is seriously violating the rules and you think it's necessary to do something about it.

While not approving his sending that TG - not the most gentlemanly thing to do - it's rather a good thing that he did. Now we now how he and potentially others feel about the way we run our embassies policy and apolitical approach to NS world at large.
As far that is concerned, I suggest we carry on doing things as we see fit. His views are his. His problem.
Now, you feeling offended and accused of being a racist, that's personal. Whether you decide to take action on that matter or not, my Queen, that's your call.
For the record, I've always trusted your judgement and I see no reason to start doubting it now. I trust you'll know the right, balanced thing to do.

Gypsy Lands, People of phoenix, and Voxija

People of phoenix

Gypsy Lands wrote:I'm sure most of you got the TG from 742, accusing me of racism because we have an embassy with a region whose motives he questions. I am requesting that you block any further TG's from this nation.

Oppsss, too late. I already told him off via my puppet Red Headed Long Hair Hippies and was not nice at all.
As far as People of Phoenix being the Delegate I was going to gently insist to keep his nose out of our business.

Dude is an absolute prick in my opinion and sorry for being rude folks.

Karamuru, Gypsy Lands, Anarchy paradise, Hermes Express 123, and 2 othersCentral california republic, and Katz and Besthoff

Anarchy paradise

Is it ok if I send a puppet state in this region? I just wanted a fresh start but I can't seem to find any region worth joining, except this.

Gypsy Lands, People of phoenix, Voxija, Hermes Express 123, and 2 othersKatz and Besthoff, and Red headed long hair hippies

Anarchy paradise wrote:Is it ok if I send a puppet state in this region? I just wanted a fresh start but I can't seem to find any region worth joining, except this.

That's fine, just be sure to respect everyone here.

Gypsy Lands, People of phoenix, Hermes Express 123, Katz and Besthoff, and 1 otherRed headed long hair hippies

Gypsy knows that my political leanings tend to hover somewhat left of center. I tend to keep em to myself, for the most part, because of our apolitical standing here. That said, we have a policy of accepting and establishing embassies with any and every Region that isn't a huge prick. That doesn't mean we necessarily agree with their philosophies, just that having good relations with our neighbors benefits us all.

Karamuru, Gypsy Lands, People of phoenix, Anarchy paradise, and 3 othersVoxija, Central california republic, and Red headed long hair hippies

Flandarz wrote:Gypsy knows that my political leanings tend to hover somewhat left of center. I tend to keep em to myself, for the most part, because of our apolitical standing here. That said, we have a policy of accepting and establishing embassies with any and every Region that isn't a huge prick. That doesn't mean we necessarily agree with their philosophies, just that having good relations with our neighbors benefits us all.

I don't know if you guys agree with me on what I am going to say next. We can't just hate everyone that has a political stance that is different from ours even if their political stance is a bit extreme for us to handle, rather we can criticize them and talk about why are they the way they are.

Gypsy Lands, People of phoenix, Voxija, Hermes Express 123, and 2 othersKatz and Besthoff, and Red headed long hair hippies

April 8. International Romani Day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Romani_Day

Great humania wrote:I don't know if you guys agree with me on what I am going to say next. We can't just hate everyone that has a political stance that is different from ours even if their political stance is a bit extreme for us to handle, rather we can criticize them and talk about why are they the way they are.

That's just it. Nobody here hates anybody. The only hater seems to be 742. As far as criticizing them--that's a no-no here because we're all-inclusive. And as far as debating it, that's for other regions, and there are plenty of them.

Interestingly enough, when I first joined NS I wound up in a conservative region, not an extreme one, just right of center. I joined because there was an interesting conversation going on about what the various nations thought concerning current events in the political arena. A month later, the several nations that were asking all the questions said they joined the region as a school project--that they were under the impression that persons on the right were bigots and intolerant. They said they were wrong, that we were quite nice to them, debating their leftest leanings, and that they came away with a different idea of what conservatism was.

Thus it proves my point: how can you be either a leftist or a rightist without knowing what the other side thinks? The former governor of New Mexico stated that some years ago she went to a "think tank" meeting of Democrats and Republicans. She was a democrat. She said that when she got home she said to her husband, "Guess what. I'm a Republican and so are you."

Go too far right and you lose freedoms. Go too far left and the same thing happens. Whatever your leanings, the only definite truth is that a swinging pendulum works best.

And that's all the political crap I'd like posted on this RMB, thank you.

Have a martini.

Quott has left us, I hope it's temporary, I think he wants to put his nation in hibernation while dealing with RL stuff.

Not that we don't already have a bunch of hibernating nations here.

Gypsy Lands wrote:Quott has left us, I hope it's temporary, I think he wants to put his nation in hibernation while dealing with RL stuff.

Not that we don't already have a bunch of hibernating nations here.

It might be because he believed 742. Quott's in the Communist Bloc right now.

Voxija wrote:It might be because he believed 742. Quott's in the Communist Bloc right now.

I asked him. I would have been super pissed at 742 if that were the case and that would be the straw that broke the camel's back, and I would have reported his ass to the mods.
Quott sent me this answer:

"Hoi, yeah, I'm moving a region where I can be inactive for long stretches of time because of real life without clogging stuff."

People of phoenix, Voxija, and Central california republic

In the meanwhile, we have a new nation here, puppet or not, let's give a hearty welcome to The stinkbug isles.

**lays out a table of imported cheeses, crackers, shrimp cocktail, sushi, fine wine, and Hershey's kisses**

Karamuru, People of phoenix, Team Hawkeye, Anarchy paradise, and 2 othersCantors Paradise, and Katz and Besthoff

Would a right-wing extremist like to be under left-wing extremist rule ? I think not. Same thing works in opposite order.
There's one thing I particularly hate about all extremists : they fancy themselves as truth bearers and holders of virtue. Well, I don't always know what the Truth is (much less Virtue), but One human universal truth I do know is that every person expects to be treated fairly.
Destroy evenness and you'll be destroying diversity. And ultimately you'll be destroying yourself.
And impartiality, respect and the best justice possible can only be found in a middle way.
Veer too far off the centre, and watch the truth and awareness of others being sacrificed on the altars of intolerance.

Gypsy Lands, People of phoenix, Anarchy paradise, and Hermes Express 123

Silesia-slovakia

Gypsy Lands wrote:I'm sure most of you got the TG from 742, accusing me of racism because we have an embassy with a region whose motives he questions. I am requesting that you block any further TG's from this nation.

We have embassies with many regions which some of us may find fault with. It doesn't matter. We establish embassies with almost anyone. Some by our request, others at theirs.

I resent any outsider telling us what we should or shouldn't do, because they choose to support their own agenda.

After I politely conversed with this nation explaining our position, he/she accused me of racism and sent me a very condescending and insulting TG. Sending a TG to all of you with an effort to apparently turn you against this region seems to me to be a violation of NS rules. I'm not sure. What do you think we should do, if anything?

This is the dispatch:

Two days ago, I came across region White Salvation of America. Unsurprisingly, they held some fascist embassies - Altmora, Farkasfalka, The Great Alliance of Fascist Nations, and The Imperium of Man. New embassies were being opened with nazi Genua, and white supremacist Aryan Resistance. These people are lost causes. Not much to be done about it.

Surprisingly, White Salvation of America were opening some embassies with some less obvious regions, including Gypsy Lands, and 12 Days of Christmas. (They had approached some other regions too, but had been rejected).

Why would you agree to open an embassy with a region like this? Surely it was a mistake? So I sent the following telegram.

Hi, I see you are opening embassies with White Salvation of America. You may not have noticed from their WFE that the region appears to be far-right "conservo-nazi" white supremacist region. Given that information, you may wish to reconsider opening that embassy.
Thanks for your time.

One of the nations has yet to log in. So no response. Probably this was just a careless oversight where they didn't check the region they were accepting.

Mediobogdum, a prominent TWPer and founder of 12 Days of Christmas hasn't responded, despite having been online and active. Their embassy is now open.
[Update a day later: the embassy is now being closed]

Gypsy Lands kindly took the time to respond.

"I see what they are, but GL has no particular political affiliation, so we have embassies with both right and left regions. It doesn't matter to us.

But given the many left wing extremist regions here, White Salvation of America probably won't be here long. To bad we can't all just co-exist."

I'm of the opinion that white supremacy isn't political, just racist. So I replied.

"Thanks for taking the time to reply.

"To bad we can't all just co-exist."

I agree with you entirely. But white supremacists like White Salvation of America would disagree strongly. They dont want to co-exist with non-whites. You having no political affiliation is fine, as is having embassies with both right and left. However, White Salvation of America dont represent a political opinion. They represent a racist opinion, that some people because of the color of their skin are worth less than others. By accepting their embassy, you are sending a message that it's OK to be racist. Do you think it's OK to be racist?"

Again, Gypsy Lands was kind enough to reply.

"Your reasoning could also apply to the very racist "BLM" regions.

No, I'm not a racist, but unfortunately today's political world, with their never ending identity politics, has made us so much further from our goal, which is color-blindness.

There are many police officers in my RL family. I happen to think blue lives matter. There are many out there who would find that statement racist.

I also don't believe in white supremacy, a coined word to further divide America. These things actually happened to some of my family members:
1. My niece, an honor student, was denied a scholarship because she is white. (No conjecture, this is what her father was told)
2. A relative was denied Obama relief funds to help her family keep up with her mortgage; they told her she qualified, but they had too many white people applying.
3. A relative was in a temporary management position, had higher qualifications than a black applicant, but was told his higher qualifications weren't enough to justify giving the permanent position to a white over a black.

You see, my friend, it works both ways. So as far as NS goes, our region draws no political bias, and if anything political is posted, I get rid of it."

I went back.

"I'm not sure that the same reasoning can be applied to "BLM" regions, but for the sake of argument, I'll go along with you. If you have overtly black supremacist embassies, you may wish to close them too. Like you say, we should all be able to co-exist. We all have a responsibility to be intolerant of intolerance.
I'm sorry to hear about your relatives. I've no constructive advice to give about that I'm afraid. But I don't think it's justification for opening an embassy with white supremacists. Which, by the way, also exist in Europe, Australasia, and South Africa. It's not just a word made up to divide America. It's well documented over the past few centuries.
You're saying "I'm not a racist", but so far there is little in your reply or your actions to evidence this. So far, you've accepted a white supremacist embassy, accused BLM regions of being "very racist", and suggested that the phrase "white supremacy" only exists as an attempt to divide America. You may want to work on methods to help you to not appear racist."

Gypsy Lands made a final response.

"Sorry, my friend, but you sound like you've been indoctrinated by leftist college professors. The left always accuses those of us with a conservative slant of being "racist," when the left is by far the most intolerant of all. (I am not registered in any party, by the way, and I've voted for both parties. If JFK were running again, I'd vote for him; but then, he'd be run out of town by the democrats in Congress now.)

Ann Coulter had a pie thrown at her. Conservative speakers at colleges are heckled and disrupted to the point where they can't speak. My daughter tried to join the Republican Club at Rutgers and found that there were no members.
College students should be willing to hear all viewpoints; that's the whole idea of higher education--teaching persons to absorb everything around them and to form their own independent opinion. I'm old enough to have gone to grade school long before all this bullshit, back when we saluted the flag, said the Lord's Prayer, read the bible, sang Christmas carols, and were told what was good about America, not just what was wrong.

My being racist is in your leftist mind. I'm done replying. I find your comments insulting."

Gypsy Lands now has an embassy with White Salvation of America.

Read dispatch


when i saw it i immideatly blocked him, because i thought it was anti-gypsy lands spam propaganda, if he were a wa nation, i would condemn him.
like, how does this prove GL is racist?
it only proves 724 is an ignorant, intolerant and obviously bored leftist fanatic.
I am a moderate leftist myself, (i belive in welfare) but that, that is a moron.
AND NS IS ALL ABOUT RP, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WSoA ISNT JUST RP?

Gypsy Lands and Central california republic

Central california republic

Silesia-slovakia wrote:This is the dispatch:
Two days ago, I came across region White Salvation of America. Unsurprisingly, they held some fascist embassies - Altmora, Farkasfalka, The Great Alliance of Fascist Nations, and The Imperium of Man. New embassies were being opened with nazi Genua, and white supremacist Aryan Resistance. These people are lost causes. Not much to be done about it.

Surprisingly, White Salvation of America were opening some embassies with some less obvious regions, including Gypsy Lands, and 12 Days of Christmas. (They had approached some other regions too, but had been rejected).

Why would you agree to open an embassy with a region like this? Surely it was a mistake? So I sent the following telegram.

Hi, I see you are opening embassies with White Salvation of America. You may not have noticed from their WFE that the region appears to be far-right "conservo-nazi" white supremacist region. Given that information, you may wish to reconsider opening that embassy.
Thanks for your time.

One of the nations has yet to log in. So no response. Probably this was just a careless oversight where they didn't check the region they were accepting.

Mediobogdum, a prominent TWPer and founder of 12 Days of Christmas hasn't responded, despite having been online and active. Their embassy is now open.
[Update a day later: the embassy is now being closed]

Gypsy Lands kindly took the time to respond.

"I see what they are, but GL has no particular political affiliation, so we have embassies with both right and left regions. It doesn't matter to us.

But given the many left wing extremist regions here, White Salvation of America probably won't be here long. To bad we can't all just co-exist."

I'm of the opinion that white supremacy isn't political, just racist. So I replied.

"Thanks for taking the time to reply.

"To bad we can't all just co-exist."

I agree with you entirely. But white supremacists like White Salvation of America would disagree strongly. They dont want to co-exist with non-whites. You having no political affiliation is fine, as is having embassies with both right and left. However, White Salvation of America dont represent a political opinion. They represent a racist opinion, that some people because of the color of their skin are worth less than others. By accepting their embassy, you are sending a message that it's OK to be racist. Do you think it's OK to be racist?"

Again, Gypsy Lands was kind enough to reply.

"Your reasoning could also apply to the very racist "BLM" regions.

No, I'm not a racist, but unfortunately today's political world, with their never ending identity politics, has made us so much further from our goal, which is color-blindness.

There are many police officers in my RL family. I happen to think blue lives matter. There are many out there who would find that statement racist.

I also don't believe in white supremacy, a coined word to further divide America. These things actually happened to some of my family members:
1. My niece, an honor student, was denied a scholarship because she is white. (No conjecture, this is what her father was told)
2. A relative was denied Obama relief funds to help her family keep up with her mortgage; they told her she qualified, but they had too many white people applying.
3. A relative was in a temporary management position, had higher qualifications than a black applicant, but was told his higher qualifications weren't enough to justify giving the permanent position to a white over a black.

You see, my friend, it works both ways. So as far as NS goes, our region draws no political bias, and if anything political is posted, I get rid of it."

I went back.

"I'm not sure that the same reasoning can be applied to "BLM" regions, but for the sake of argument, I'll go along with you. If you have overtly black supremacist embassies, you may wish to close them too. Like you say, we should all be able to co-exist. We all have a responsibility to be intolerant of intolerance.
I'm sorry to hear about your relatives. I've no constructive advice to give about that I'm afraid. But I don't think it's justification for opening an embassy with white supremacists. Which, by the way, also exist in Europe, Australasia, and South Africa. It's not just a word made up to divide America. It's well documented over the past few centuries.
You're saying "I'm not a racist", but so far there is little in your reply or your actions to evidence this. So far, you've accepted a white supremacist embassy, accused BLM regions of being "very racist", and suggested that the phrase "white supremacy" only exists as an attempt to divide America. You may want to work on methods to help you to not appear racist."

Gypsy Lands made a final response.

"Sorry, my friend, but you sound like you've been indoctrinated by leftist college professors. The left always accuses those of us with a conservative slant of being "racist," when the left is by far the most intolerant of all. (I am not registered in any party, by the way, and I've voted for both parties. If JFK were running again, I'd vote for him; but then, he'd be run out of town by the democrats in Congress now.)

Ann Coulter had a pie thrown at her. Conservative speakers at colleges are heckled and disrupted to the point where they can't speak. My daughter tried to join the Republican Club at Rutgers and found that there were no members.
College students should be willing to hear all viewpoints; that's the whole idea of higher education--teaching persons to absorb everything around them and to form their own independent opinion. I'm old enough to have gone to grade school long before all this bullshit, back when we saluted the flag, said the Lord's Prayer, read the bible, sang Christmas carols, and were told what was good about America, not just what was wrong.

My being racist is in your leftist mind. I'm done replying. I find your comments insulting."

Gypsy Lands now has an embassy with White Salvation of America.

Read dispatch


when i saw it i immideatly blocked him, because i thought it was anti-gypsy lands spam propaganda, if he were a wa nation, i would condemn him.
like, how does this prove GL is racist?
it only proves 724 is an ignorant, intolerant and obviously bored leftist fanatic.
I am a moderate leftist myself, (i belive in welfare) but that, that is a moron.
AND NS IS ALL ABOUT RP, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WSoA ISNT JUST RP?

They definitely look like a RP imo

I RP with friends about committing genocide on aliens. And my friend role played racial atrocities in the UK just for fun.

It’s a game, don’t take it all seriously.

I apologise if I came off on the wrong note here.

The funny thing is, White Salvation of America is not nearly as extreme as some of the regions in early NS, before the powers-that-be started censoring them. Personally, I think they should have been allowed to remain, and not as "memorials", either. If you're an NS Nazi and proud of it, I don't really give a fat rat's a$$, because it's no skin off my back; they'll never be in power again.

And RPing WWII stuff does usually involve unsavory characters.

Gypsy Lands wrote:The funny thing is, White Salvation of America is not nearly as extreme as some of the regions in early NS, before the powers-that-be started censoring them. Personally, I think they should have been allowed to remain, and not as "memorials", either. If you're an NS Nazi and proud of it, I don't really give a fat rat's a$$, because it's no skin off my back; they'll never be in power again.

And RPing WWII stuff does usually involve unsavory characters.

I will throw in my two cents, which is probably worth much less than that.

Extremism is hard to unambiguously identify. The region I call extremist you might instead call idealistic. But in a role-playing environment, it can be really hard to tell whether threats of violence, say, are in character, or serious threats. So I think it best for the game not to go witch-hunting for offensive (in any sense) regions. It's a waste of time and resources that could be spent on fun instead.

But I make two exceptions. One is that NationStates regions should not be used for planning or facilitating real-world violence. I have to assume this is against the rules already. Further, you'd have to be fools to do this, because the regional RMB's are recorded for posterity, and that would be evidence. But, of course, some extremists are indeed fools. [Insert real-world example here.]

The other exception is broader. Some extremist regions, either role-played or for real, are raiders. I don't see this as against the rules, but it is very disheartening, even if the extremism is really just role-played. Assuming I'm right that this is not against the rules, I am opposed to setting up embassies with such regions, and in favor of WA condemnations for them. Raids are traumatic enough for their victims without the extra "feature" of attempts to implement ethnic cleansing on the victims, even "in fun".

Just my opinion. I do not know whether White Salvation of America is a raider region or not. And I'm not going to bother to find out, unless and until they raid a region I know and value.

I will now shut up, and hope Gypsy Lands has something good on the menu for the next feast. (Of course she does! Could there be any doubt?)

Breakfast is served!

**sets up a table with waffles, blueberries, whipped cream, poached eggs, toast, butter, jam, muffins, pastries, bacon, ham, sausage, scrapple, OJ, hot beverages, Hershey's kisses**

Anarchy paradise, Voxija, Hermes Express 123, Central california republic, and 2 othersCantors Paradise, and Katz and Besthoff

Blimey, that's a hearty breakfast.
*eats until stomach is about to burst*
*burps*
Sorry
*stuffs pockets with more food*
For later. Hope you don't mind. Thanks.
*sits outside the brightly decorated wagon, lights up pipe, smokes*
Ah...this is life.

Gypsy Lands, Hermes Express 123, Central california republic, and Cantors Paradise

Central california republic

So either I make a sci-fi afterlife story first or a sci-fi adventure story

R.I.P. Fallih and Sitaare.

Welcome to Jahswatini and a belated welcome to Casseria, who sneaked in here unnoticed.

**Pops the cork on a bottle of champagne**

Ave,

On behalf of His Holiness, The Imperial Majesty The Holy Emperor of Muscle (perpetual strength be upon Him, and long may He flex), We would like to apologise for Our late response, and thank you for the breakfast ensemble you have presented Us. Know ye that your supply of protein and exercise equipment will be eternal and free of charge, so long as We exist. This is merely a service for all Our faithful allies.

Signed,

Maximum the Intelligent, of the official position of Righteous Messenger of the Holy Emperor to the Vassal States as well as Treasurer of the Flexopolis National Library and Vault

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