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Hello guys, I’ve updated the stocks. Make sure to renew your investments and anyone wishing to join, please let me know, the more the merrier. To invest, tm me or tag me in a message your investment towards who and preferably how much, you can invest into your own companies if you want. I’ve now introduced new things to the stock market, and they’re quite a word full, so I have them in spoilers for people who want to get past that rubbish without scrolling for eons.

PeePeePooPooCaCa’s Inter Regional Stock Market

by Peepeepoopoocaca

CELEBRATING 1000 READS!

brief overview

This stock market will be for companies from nations in the Labyrinth’s embassy regions to expand and make more money. Through the stock market, values will determine investments and due to the wide accessibility of this stock market, companies are guaranteed to make at least some sort of profit. The number besides the company is it’s value in the stock market, one point is equal to 1 million Jilars. The money companies earn will not come from the state, instead, they will come from the revenue made from their products, locations, or to put it simply, from the client. The + or - sign besides the companies indicate whether the company’s value has risen or fallen since last week’s report. The number besides the + or - signs indicates by exactly how much it rose or fell.

rewards

In addition, every company on the stock market will get a weekly pay of 100 million Jilars. 85% of the stock market’s profits will go to the companies while 15% will go to PeePeePooPooCaCa. The nation with the largest company in each sector of the market receives a trading card, nations are limited to one card. The card is uncommon if the sector has less than five different nations, rare if it has more than five but less than ten, and epic/legendary if the sector has more than 10 nations.

karma points

Every investment by a nation into a company that doesn’t belong to them will be rewarded with karma points. The nation receives 1k for an investment lower than 500 million dollars, 2k for an investment between 500 million and 999,999,999, and 3k for an investment above 1 billion. Karma points are transferred to stock points and are added onto the nation’s companies’ values.

power ups

Nations can also buy power ups to boost companies’ values. There shall be four original power ups, but more can be added by other nations if Peepeepoopoocaca approves of them. The creator of a new power up can use it for free the first time he or she wants it. Otherwise, all nations wishing to buy a power up should pay its fee using the nation’s companies’ stock points. The nation does not have a bought power up anymore if he or she don’t pay the power up’s renewal fee in time, or Peepeepoopoocaca decides to terminate the nation’s power up privilege. All power ups shall be bought in the shop down below.

shares

In addition to the karma points system, there will also be another type of external investment. They’re called shares, which essentially means that the company you invest in has to repay you in the form of a dividend. A dividend is calculated using a percentage system, which means that a nation’s share is also it’s dividend. For example, if a nation holds a 20% share of a company, then the company being invested in needs to give the shareholder 20% of weekly profits. So if that company makes 10k points in a week, 2k go to the shareholder. Dividends and shares investments are overall pretty good as they don’t have to be renewed as frequently as karma investments, but they require more negotiation, as the shareholder nation and company representative nation both need to agree on the terms of the investment. The shareholder now possesses a share in said company, and they can sell shares whenever they feel they don’t need said share anymore, for example, when a company’s doing poorly. Shares that are sold on the market are registered as initial public offerings, or IPOs. The number in brackets besides the listed shares down below is the current revenue being made by that company’s share, which is the same as the share price. The whole point of buying and seeking shares is to buy at low prices, and sell at high prices whenever the stockholder honks it’s right.

banks

There will be banks stationed across PPPPCC and elsewhere that will help to fund and monetarily aid the companies in the stock market. A good way to do this will be through loans, which will be eventually paid back by interest. To buy a loan, first choose a bank in which you will form a partnership with and buy loans from them in the future. This bank is now called your ‘partnership bank’. Now, specify the amount of money that will be required to fund the buyer’s project(s), and then, you’re expected to pay back a certain amount of interest within a certain time span. One credit point is equal to 100 stock points and vice versa. On top of this, companies will be able to deposit any money (aka stock points) they currently posses to the bank, and withdraw it whenever they please. As a side note, you’re allowed to change your partnership bank whenever you want, but you have to make an agreement with both banks.

This stock market’s plan is to give companies a fair chance and open up in new lands with new markets and new opportunities. This will never be a stock market established due to corporate greed. We shall never deny a guest, even the most ridiculous request.

For a place to discuss the stock market, ask questions, roleplay scenarios with your companies, and arrange further deals, create an alternate account or submit Embassy requests and join the Inter regional stock market region.

TABLE OF CONTENTS:

TRADING FLOOR | DATA | CURRENT INVESTMENTS | SHOP | OWNED SHARES | SHARES ON SALE/IPOs | BANKS | COMPANY AWARDS | COMPANIES ON SALE | FORMER COMPANIES | COUNTRY PROFILES | IRPSFSM or IRSFADM INVESTMENTS

The San Juarez Stock Exchange in San Juarez, PPPPCC

TRADING FLOOR:

TECHNOLOGY

Megasoft (Plus Nova Imperii) - 227K +21K
Genesis Space Tech (The Rouge Christmas State) - 85K -18K
Urukian Computers Co. (Urukian) - 150K +7K
Movey Tech (Moveyrsearlandez) - 109K -15K
Roder (Otterse) - 110K -13K
Mahjanji (Indoinastan) - 177K +3K
GovernmentAndy Inc. (Isolationstan) - 138K +3K
Mecham (Isolationstan) - 144K +8K
The Twitter (Mukh) - 128K +2K
Tokyo Novum Space Tech (Novos romanos) - 148K +3K

INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY

Data Corp (The Rouge Christmas State) - 88K -18K
Regal Infotech (Port ashley) - 71K -18K
Annoying Discord Bots (Arcane the bot) - 126K +2K
MegaBit (Edington) - 109K -7K
Emporious (Novos romanos) - 142K +4K
Genos-Aelia company (Romaniche) - 188K +30K

FISHING

Pristine Urukian Fishing Co. (Urukian) - 76K +13K

FINANCE

The Duke National Bank (The Rouge Christmas State) - 52K -18K
Pankki Aussandri (Aussandries) - 108K +8K
Sheffield Preudential Bank (Port ashley) - 32K -18K
Pan-Caribbean Bank (Port ashley) - 26K -18K
Natona Banca de’Belac (The belacian states) - 114K +13K
Searland Stock Exchange (Moveyrsearlandez) - 67K -15K
Zhest Exchequer (Indoinastan) - 126K +3K
Gazprombank (Primorski Krai) - 103K +5K
SpanaBank (El Spana) - 150K +8K
jetBank (The belacian states) - 113K +13K

ARMS MANUFACTURING

Xavier Manufacturing (The Rouge Christmas State) - 44K -18K
Urukian Arms Industry (Urukian) - 103K +7K
Soria Co. (Sorianora) - 123K +11K
Aussandries Arms (Aussandries) - 90K +9K
FN (Belned) - 106K +17K
RAPNI (Romaniche) - 142K +26K
Imperial Arms (Puppet scp fuadation) - 88K -15K
The Rifle From The Red (Commie tebit) - 48K -13K
German Austrian Arms Manufacturing (The greater german austrian empire) - 105K +5K
NRAP (Novos romanos) - 109K +8K
The Golden Weapon (The rome empire) - 97K +2K
Pewds Arms (Pewds supporter) - 45K -21K
Vegetarian Light Armaments (Democratic republic of nothingness) - 102K +1K
Rajputana Rifles (Republic of rajputana) - 106K +2K
Carthage and Co (Carthaginian civilization) - 94K +2K
BFP (Belned) - 118K +13K
تصنيع اذرع الشمس (Urukian) - 130K +13K
Mosin and Avtomat Armory (Primorski Krai) - 104K +5K
Guns For Freedom (Legionarya) - 148K +26K
Tengri Seraphim (Khazar lechia) - 78K -9K

SPACE

Stavanger Space Tech (Urukian) - 113K +9K
Urukian Space Repair Service (Urukian) - 105K +8K
U2 Space (Phoenix city of fire) - 110K +2K
Young Industries Civilian Aeronautics Division (Young industries) - 99K +1K
Tokyo Novum Space Industries (Novos romanos) - 111K +5K

BEVERAGES

The Rare Old Mountain Dew (Aussandries) - 60K +9K
Roma-Soda (Romaniche) - 93K +24K
Ecchi-Cola (The Strangers Club) - 70K +14K
Par Biir (The belacian states) - 61K +12K

PROSTITUTION

Meninas Capitalistas (Ofiussia) - 28K +3K

RETAIL

Roma-Nike (Romaniche) - 178K +26K
Strange-Mart (The Strangers Club) - 176K +16K
JP Capitalista (Novos romanos) - 141K +5K

CHEESE EXPORTS

Khan’s Milk Farm (Khazar lechia) - 28K -6K
Romanichean Cheese (Romaniche) - 89K +24K
Tillamook Cheese (Isolationstan) - 62K +9K
Transvaal Dairy (Wabobania) - 39K +1K
Raja Panner Curry (Indoinastan) - 60K +4K
Puic Cheese (Carthaginian civilization) - 40K +1K
La Branzika (Legionarya) - 92K +24K

AGRICULTURE

Khan’s Personal Fields (Khazar lechia) - 56K +6K
Faster Growth (Otterse) - 35K -9K
NR Agriculture (Novos romanos) - 62K +4K
Sodrugestvo (Primorski Krai) - 63K +7K

PHARMACEUTICALS

Sun Pharma (Port ashley) - 13K -18K
University Medicine (Hopal) - 64K +2K
G Pharmaceutics SRL (Gavraska) - 66K +9K

DEFENSE

Cambium Aerospace and Trucks (Port ashley) - 23K-18K
Bunker-Apparatus (Koedric) - 79K +10K
Imperial Armed Defense (Puppet scp fuadation) - 69K -7K
The Red China Army (Commie tebit) - 33K -12K
Golden Wall (The rome empire) - 78K +2K
UAC (Primorski Krai) - 76K +7K

AUTOMOBILES

Scandia Automobiles (Port ashley) - 21K -18K
Satirop (Phoenix city of fire) - 81K +3K
Cars and Stuff (New cica) - 77K +1K
Belton Automotive (Isolationstan) - 86K +3K
Rebirth Motors (Rebirth Island) - 74K +1K
Henry Ford (Legionarya) - 88K +22K

BICYCLES

Belac Bíçiclas (The belacian states) - 82K +9K
H Bikes (Hopal) - 61K +2K

NATURAL GAS

Urukian Natural Gas (Urukian) - 112K +23K

MINING

Urukian Minerals Production (Urukian) - 207K +26K
Novos Romanos Minerals Ltd (Novos romanos) - 182K +4K
Cratersville Mining Ltd (Isolationstan) - 178K +6K

TOURISM

visitBelac (The belacian states) - 130K +13K
Imagine Indoina (Indoinastan) - 118K +3K
TravelDumb (Dumb country) - 96K

GAMBLING

Ugosalinese Casinos (Ugosal) - 116K +4K
Cykas ke liye Kazino (Indoinastan) - 118K +3K
The Rising Sun (The Strangers Club) - 134K +13K

CLOTHING

Seter (Moveyrsearlandez) - 76K -8K

JEWELRY

Lal Ruby (Indoinastan) - 177K +3K

TIMBER WOODCHIPPING

Chipps Chips (Isolationstan) - 95K +9K

FILM AND BOOK PUBLISHING

PAWS Trademark Limited (Indoinastan) - 110K +3K

FILM PUBLISHING

Viking Studios & Dark House Films (El Spana) - 88K +4K
Belac Film Company (The belacian states) - 93K +11K

BASKET WEAVING

Romanichean Festives Stock (Romaniche) - 76K +16K

FLEX SEAL FAMILY OF PRODUCTS

Flex Seal Family of Products (Swiftlandian Peoples Republic) - 206K -3K

BLACK MARKET

River Styx (Draconovox) - 148K +23K
NR Slaves INC (Novos romanos) - 82K +3K

TV PRODUCTION

Anime Production Center (Phoenix city of fire) - 78K +4K
Viva Studios (Latiouthel) 73K +4K

LUMBER

The Spaniard Woodstock (El Spana) - 91K +4K

BARS

Slagger's (The corporate sectors) - 49K +1K

EMPLOYMENT

Workers of the World United (Slavic lechia) - 55K +2K

BROADCASTING

GMA Network (Latiouthel) - 68K +4K

ENERGY

IEG Company Corp (Latiouthel) - 79K +4K
Nuclearrr INC (Novos romanos) - 87K +4K

SOY SAUCE

Sam’s Sauce (Akumanga) - 43K +6K

TRADE

Auchan (Primorski Krai) - 81K +5K
Amorix International (Ethics committee of the scpf) - 75K +4K

TEMPLES

مذابح الشمس (Urukian) - 73K +14K
श्रेकवादी हिंदू धर्म और संथाल मंदिर of മെമ്മുകളും കമ്യൂണിസവും (Indoinastan) - 68K +3K

RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT

Mindon Labs (Mindon) - 78K +2K

FAST F00D

MC doNAlds (Japanese ronald mc donald) - 69K +4K

BROADCASTING

Channel 6 (The belacian states) - 90K +10K

FOOD

Food Heaven (The belacian states) - 73K +9K

RECYCLING

Humans Recycled Co. (Yes humans are recyclable) - 44K +4K

MANUFACTURING

BLC Corporation (Latiouthel) - 83K +5K

MILITARY WEAPONRY

The Naliz Corpotarion (The soldrania) - 88K

VIRGIN GROUP

Virgin Group (A Memer) - 69K

DATA:
THIS WEEK’S LOSSES: $414 Billion
THIS WEEK’S REVENUE: $759 Billion
THIS WEEK’S PROFIT: $345 Billion
TOTAL ALL TIME REVENUE MADE SO FAR: ~$106 Trillion
NATIONS INVOLVED: 57
REGIONS INVOLVED: 19

CURRENT INVESTMENTS:

Aug 16. Aussandries into Aussandries companies, 1 month

Aug 22. The Strangers Club 2 billion into The Strange Mart, 1 month

Aug 25. Urukian 2 billion into Urukian companies +1 billion to Urukian National Gas and Urukian Minerals Co., 1 month

Aug 25. Draconovox 2 billion into Mecham (Isolationstan), 1 month

Aug 25. Draconovox 2 billion into Rapni (Romaniche), 1 month

Aug 25. Draconovox 2 billion into Tillamook Cheese (Isolationstan), 1 month

Aug 25. Draconovox 2 billion into Romanichean Cheese (Romaniche), 1 month

Aug 25. Draconovox 2 billion into Spanabank (El Spana), 1 month

Aug 26. The belacian states into The belacian states companies, 1 month

Aug 26. Legionarya 10 million into Legionarya companies, 1 month

Aug 26. Hopal 3 billion into University Medicine, 1 month

Aug 26. Gavraska 35K into Pristine Urukian Fishing Co., 1 month

Aug 26. Gavraska 1 billion into Gavraska companies, 1 month

Aug 29. The Strangers Club 500 million into MegaSoft (Plus Nova Imperii), 1 month

Aug 29. The Strangers Club 500 million into Anime Production Center (Phoenix city of fire), 1 month

Aug 29. Koedric into BFP (Belned), 1 month

Aug 29. Akumanga 500 million into Sam’s Sauce, 1 month

Aug 29. Urukian 1 billion into تصنيع اذرع الشمس, 1 month

Aug 29. The belacian states 500 million into Chipps Chips (Isolationstan), 1 month

Aug 30. Gavraska 500 million into Khan’s Personal Fields (Khazar lechia), 1 month

Aug 30. Gavraska 500 million into Golden Wall (The rome empire), 1 month

Aug 30. Gavraska 200 million into La Branzika (Legionarya), 1 month

Aug 30. Aussandries 1 billion+ into visitBelac (The belacian states), 1 month

Sep 7. Legionarya 200 million into Legionarya companies, 1 month

Sep 7. Romaniche 150 billion into Romaniche companies, 1 week

Sep 7. Romaniche 50 billion into Emporious (Novos romanos), FN (Belned), BFP (Belned), NRAP (Novos romanos), Guns for Freedom (Legionarya), JP Capitalista (Novos romanos), La Branzinka (Legionarya), 1 week

Sep 7. Plus Nova Imperii into Plus Nova Imperii companies, 1 week

Sep 7. Plus Nova Imperii into Sorianora companies, 1 week

Sep 7. Sorianora into Sorianora companies, 1 week

Sep 7. Sorianora into Plus Nova Imperii companies, 1 week

Sep 7. Koedric into Bunker Apparatus (Koedric) and FN (Belned), 1 week

Sep 7. The Strangers Club 5 billion into The Strangers Club companies, 1 month

Sep 7. The Strangers Club 2 billion into MegaSoft (Puppet States of Plus Nova Imperii), 1 month

Sep 7. The Strangers Club 2 billion into Anime Production Center (Phoenix city of fire), 1 month

IRPSFSM or IRSFADM INVESTMENTS

Sep 7. The soldrania 100 million into Bitterlich (Sturengartz), 1 month (IRPSFSM Company Investment) - Company Ceased to Exist, Investment Firm Payed Back With the Company’s Remaining Value (4 Billion)

SHOP:

Pizza: Increases your companies’ investment deadlines by a month | Cost: 10,000 Stock Points | Renewal Cost: 1,500 Points (Must be paid within a month)

Totem of Undying: Restores a company below 3,000 points back to the stock market with an initial value of 5,000 points | Cost: 0 Points, Message or Telegram to Peepeepoopoocaca (No renewal required)

Chaos Emerald: Increases a company’s value by 10% each week | Cost: 25,000 Points | Renewal Cost: 3,000 Points (Must be paid within a week)

Scooby Snack: Gives you 1,000 free karma points every month | Cost: 5,000 Points | Renewal Cost: 1,000 Points (Must be paid within a month)

OWNED SHARES:

Draconovox: 15% Shares in Mecham (22K), Rapni (21K), Tillamook Cheese (9K), Romanichean Cheese (14K), and Spanabank (23K)

Sorianora: 10% Share in MegaSoft (23K)

Gavraska: 1% Share in Pristine Fishing Co. (760)

The Strangers Club: 15% Share in MegaSoft (34K), and Anime Production Center (12K)

Koedric: 10% Share in BFP (12K)

Romaniche: 20% Share in BFP (24K), Guns For Freedom (30K), FN (21K), Emporious (28K), NRAP (22K), JP Capitalista (28K), La Brazinka (18K)

The belacian states: 10% Share in Chipps Chips (10K)

Gavraska: 10% Share in Khan’s Personal Fields (6K), and Golden Wall (8K)

Gavraska: 5% Share in La Brazinka (5K)

Aussandries: 15% Share in visitBelac (20K)

Indoinastan: 5% Share in U2 Space (6K), Satirop (4K), and Anime Production Center (4K)

Koedric: 10% Share in FN (11K)

SHARES ON SALE/IPOs:

- 10% of jetBank (The belacian states)
- 15% of Par Biir (The belacian states)
- 4% of Belac Film Company (The belacian states)
- 8% of Belac Bíçiclas (The belacian states)

COMPANIES ON SALE:

Here’s where companies who’s country owners have ceased to exist go to be hopefully bought by new countries and return to the stock market

- Bing Software National, Info. Tech Company, Former Owner: Of altonianic islands, Value: 369K

- Wooloo, Arms Manufacturing Company, Former Owner: Wooloo-land, Value: 7K

- Ludwig and Beilschmit, Space Company, Former Owner: Gallar, Value: 95K

- Glorious Potatoes Inc., Agriculture Company, Former Owner: Of altonianic islands Value: 75K

- Haberlin, Military Aircraft Company, Former Owner: Sturengartz Value: 58K

- Brausewetter, Natural Gas Company, Former Owner: Sturengartz Value: 40K

- Sturencabel, Telecommunications Company, Former Owner: Sturengartz Value: 60K

- The Golden Hour, Gambling Company, Former Owner: Gallar Value: 108K

- Billy’s Chicken, Poultry Farms Company, Former Owner: Chicknland Value: 60K

BANKS:

The Duke National Bank (The Rouge Christmas State):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

Pankki Aussandri (Aussandries):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

Sheffield Preudential Bank (Port ashley):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

Pan-Caribbean Bank (Port ashley):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

Natona Banca de’Belac (The belacian states):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

Searland Stock Exchange (Moveyrsearlandez):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

Exchequer (Indoinastan):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

Gazprombank (Primorski Krai):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

SpanaBank (El Spana):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

jetBank (The belacian states):

Loans given out to:
Money deposited:
Current credit to loan ratio: 1 credit point for 100 stock points

COMPANY AWARDS
COMPANY OF THE WEEK: Genos-Aelia company (Romaniche) - 158K
MOST VALUABLE COMPANY: Bing Software National (Of altonianic islands) - 362K

FORMER COMPANIES:
All of these companies are now currently in the Inter Regional Primary Stock and Financial Support Market (IRPSFSM)

- Gòngchǎn Baskets (Commie tebit)
- LS’s Bigmouth (CALLMEDADDYSTRATTON)

COUNTRY PROFILES:

Plus Nova Imperii: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
The Rouge Christmas State: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Urukian: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Moveyrsearlandez: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Otterse: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Indoinastan: Karma Multipliter: 1K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Isolationstan: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Mukh: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Novos romanos: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Port ashley: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Arcane the bot: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Edington: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Romaniche: Karma Multipliter: 15K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Callmedaddystratton: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Aussandries: Karma Multipliter: 3K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
The belacian states: Karma Multipliter: 1K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Primorski Krai: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Sorianora: Karma Multipliter: 1K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Belned: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Puppet scp fuadation: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Commie tebit: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
The greater german austrian empire: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
The rome empire: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Pewds supporter: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Democratic republic of nothingness: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Republic of rajputana: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Carthaginian civilization: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Legionarya: Karma Multipliter: 9K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Khazar lechia: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Phoenix city of fire: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Young industries: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
The Strangers Club: Karma Multipliter: 8K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Ofiussia: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Wabobania: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Koedric: Karma Multipliter: 1K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
New cica: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Rebirth Island: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Ugosal: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
El Spana: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Swiftlandian Peoples Republic: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Draconovox: Karma Multipliter: 15K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
The corporate sectors: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Slavic lechia: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Latiouthel: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Akumanga: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Mindon: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Japanese ronald mc donald: Karma Multipliter: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Hopal: Karma Multiplier: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Gavraska: Karma Multiplier: 6K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Yes humans are recyclable: Karma Multiplier: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Ethics committee of the scpf: Karma Multiplier: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
The soldrania: Karma Multiplier: 1K Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
Dumb country: Karma Multiplier: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None
A Memer: Karma Multiplier: 0 Points, Power Ups: 0, Partnership Bank: None

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La france bonapartiste wrote:

I decided not to go into the issue last week, but this week the news is full of stories, Roborian of why Fox News can fairly be said to be a thoroughly anti-Trump outlet. So I just thought I'd return to point that out.

I do not follow Fox too closely-I assume you are talking about Chris Wallace?

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:

Speaking of production quality, I skimmed and skipped and sort-of listed through both Day 1s of the two conventions and I have to say the Republican one definitely outclassed the Democratic one. I especially thought the weird host thing at the start of the Democratic one was not well done, it was like I was watching a boring cable news show.

I was also surprised to see Cardinal Dolan, rare to have someone so notable lead the prayer.

The RNC was actually quite a bit better than I expected it to be.

-I have not been a particular fan of Gaetz, but I thought his speech was remarkably good and concise, minus the genuflecting. (Same can be said about most of the night, really)

-Alvarez had probably the best speech of the night on emotional grounds, but it was a little jarring when they transitioned from that into an attack ad on Biden-perfectly fine to have the ad somewhere in the program, but the shift from an emotional defense of the goodness of America to a fairly typical political commercial killed some of the effect.

-Some of the more 'normal people' speakers sounded a bit awkward, but that's too be expected and I think it was a pretty good call to set things up as they did. I liked the line from Weinress that in socialized medicine "You don't beat the odds, you are the odds."

-Trump Jr. did better than I would have expected, more stable, pretty decent speech.

-Very much the opposite for Guilfoyle. You can't say she didn't have energy, but it came off so badly-I think one news source compared it to an overblown SNL in real life and that wasn't inaccurate, it seemed almost like self-parody and not the charming kind.

-I think Nikki Haley's speech was overrated. It was not bad, it was just fine, low-energy, perfectly decent, checked most of the boxes, but nothing really to stand out rhetorically/emotionally/verbally. A pretty clear 5 or 5.5/10, and I think she's getting hyped too much for it. Probably one of the weakest speeches of the night from a politician, though that's largely because most were above-average.

-The Voigt trailers were very good.

-I think the weakest parts were the Trump meeting with people segments, somewhat surprisingly so, actually, he can be decent enough with people but they really just came off as painfully awkward, especially with how well-done most of the speeches were, and the impression one got wasn't really great, that you get 2-3 speeches about how Trump is a superman who is going to save America and then he sort of stumbles through some awkward half-conversations.

And of course the media coverage was about as trash as expected. When Democrats say America is systemically racist and filled with hate, they're being bold and progressive. When Republicans say (repeatedly, multiple speakers used the phrase explicitly) that America is the greatest country in the world, but Biden is a threat it's all about "painting a dark future."

We simultaneously got criticism of the RNC for being too down and depressing (which it really was not) and criticism of Haley for daring to say that America is not a racist country, which shows about how even-keeled news sources were being about it.

Kylbal wrote:

I only have a few things to say so first off; Greetings, as far as I know this is a region full of sexist bible thumpers, am I right?
Also, despite the fact that my current opinion on abortion is pro-choice, I would gladly change my beliefs on it if someone were to provide me with a good, believable, non-religious argument against abortion.

Heya. I'm a feminist atheist, though I often thump people with books, so you might want to mind your manners.

I guess the key argument here is believing that human life has inherent value. That's the starting point really, and it's a tricky moral conundrum for a humanist to tackle, as we don't have recourse to talking about the soul or pointing about scripture. The question comes down to whether you, as a human being with your own human moral system, consider it okay to kill human beings.

The next step there is refining that moral system. If we say its NOT okay to kill human beings, or its only okay to human beings SOMETIMES, then the next questions are "what constitutes a human being?" and "when is it justifiable?"

To me, as a humanist and a doctor, I started with the second question. To me, killing is sometimes justifiable, but rarely so. There's cases that are clear cut to my morality, like I would kill an aggressor who was trying to kill my child, if that was the only way to definitively stop them. There's greyer cases, like I'd want to kill someone who had killed my child, if they were helpless in front of me, but I'd try to resist doing so for moral reasons. Then there's other end circumstances, like I definitely WOULDN'T want to kill a young kid who was singing a song I don't like. Likewise I wouldn't want to kill a child that was too expensive for me to raise.

When it comes to termination of pregnancy, the reasons for the killing are varied, from social convenience, to wanting nothing to do with the product of sexual assault, to serious medical conditions. The "pro-choice" position emphasises female bodily autonomy -- as in "her body, her choice" -- and seems to suggest that the moral value of that choice outweighs the moral prohibition against killing.

That brings us to question two. What is human? It's entirely arguable from a secular point of view that a sperm ain't human, and that an egg ain't human, and the monocellular zygote formed from the fusion of the two ain't human. Equally, there are many here who would mark that point of conception as something special, where human life truly begins. To many of us though, it's hard to think of two bits of matter being closer to each other counting as human while two bits of matter a micron apart aren't.

So it's up to you to say when you think human begins. For me, it's some time AFTER conception, for sure. But from a medical point of view I find it wholly unconvincing to say that a pregnancy at 24 weeks is not its own human being, separate from the mother. It's been demonstrated that babies removed ex utero in emergency circumstances can survive before that date, all the way back to 21 weeks and 5 days, and that limit isn't something defined by physiology, but rather by medical technology being limited. And a functioning nervous system and a recognisable "brain" exists before then, so there is thought. To me here it gets philosophically tricky. Do you need the capacity of self-awareness to have worth as life? If so, is an elderly person with severe dementia no longer human? Is an ant that knows that it exists more worthy than a fetus that does not?

As atheists, we don't have the liberty of turning to defined answers for this, you have to find your own moral code.

So my conclusion, personally, is this:

The words "pro-choice" are themselves problematic, as they imply that the only issue here is autonomy. Actually, the issue here is primarily about the life being ended, the justifications for doing that, and the point at which it becomes morally wrong to do so.

I am not convinced -- unlike many here -- that termination is ALWAYS wrong. Rather I think the vast majority of nations in this world are far too ready to allow termination without due consideration. I'm personally sure that at 8-10 weeks into gestation the foetus can be defined as a human being with human rights. He or she is not a fully developed adult, but then nor is a newborn baby, and we accord the same rights to babies as we do to adults. Indeed, a foetus inability to represent itself in argument, or to even look you in the eye and thus trigger parental protective instincts, means we have a GREATER moral responsibility to advocate on his or her behalf.

So to me, termination should be allowed if it happens in very early pregnancy (that is less than 8 weeks, possibly earlier), and if it is being done for a strong reason that goes beyond autonomy and family planning -- that is, the health of the mother, the health of the child, and so on. I definitely don't believe that a child being inconvenient to one's life plans is a sufficient justification to end the life of an unborn baby at 20 weeks gestation, when it almost certainly already has sapience, the capacity to feel pain, and true humanity.

At the same time I recognise there's more to family planning than convenience, and I recognise the strong correlation between women's rights and control over their own reproduction. So while I'm against casual termination, I'm for contraception, against forced marriage, for strong laws about consent, and for good sex education. I just think you can be a feminist while also being against casual termination, which a lot of people will try to lump together. I am a feminist. I am against casual termination.

To me, I'm not 100% with many of the right to life crew that reside here, but to me they are at least thinking about the moral issues whereas I find that many pro-choice individuals don't have strong moral reasoning, but rather just default to the position of the societal majority opinion. I don't mind where their morality comes from, be it Catholicism, or Islam or Humanism. The important thing is that everyone here has thought about the issue, and made a moral conclusion.

Like Terry Pratchett (another atheist) said for his dwarves: "Tak ask you to think any particular thing, he just asks that you think."

As to where your opinion ends up, I don't mind. But I hope I've helped lend some food for thought.

Phydios wrote:

Fox News... anti-Trump? I seem to remember hearing that they'd been getting rid of anyone critical of Trump.

You are badly misinformed. Probably tuning into the wrong news sources.

Roborian wrote:

I do not follow Fox too closely-I assume you are talking about Chris Wallace?

I am talking about the entire network.

La france bonapartiste wrote:

I am talking about the entire network.

I'd have to see some awfully convincing examples for that, really. Wallace I have no problem with criticism of, I don't think it's Trump in particular, I think he's plainly to the left and has his 'objectivity' overrated as a result, but Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham, the big guns? I think one would be hard-pressed to describe them as even moderately anti-Trump, let alone thoroughly.

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On the topic of media bias, meanwhile, apparently Abby Johnson's official and clearly not-at-all-slanted descriptor per the NBC chyron is "Opponent of Abortion Rights"

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Roborian wrote:

Something that I think would be interesting, not that I'd necessarily support it, but it would be interesting, is making voting dependent on being a member of an independent household, i.e., not living with your parents. Essentially, votes would not change depending on marital status, but someone still living under their parents' roof, or perhaps on their parents' under-26 healthcare, would be considered minors and non-voters. Or one could just simplify it as saying that children still claimed as 'dependents' do not yet get to vote.

I wouldn't support that. You've got plenty of young adults who are having trouble being self-supporting despite their best efforts.

Phydios wrote:

I wouldn't support that. You've got plenty of young adults who are having trouble being self-supporting despite their best efforts.

I wouldn't necessarily go for it either, more just mulling over it as what a more defensible argument for 'household' voting would be, on the basis of somewhat redefining the age of majority by level of independence rather than age, which I think is at least an interesting concept.

I would say that I definitely am a big supporter of settling an actual clear line for the 'age of majority', though, wherever it may fall, whether that means repealing the 26th Amendment or (though I cringe at the thought) lowering the voting age two years. Drinking, voting, the draft, smoking, buying a gun, consent, etc. ought to have a clear on/off year rather than the current silly patchwork, and states can lower their number for internal affairs if they wish it. (I'd also take out the federal limits on age for office along the same lines-if people want to vote for a 19-year-old President, people ought to be able to vote for a 19-year-old President).

La france bonapartiste wrote:

It's largely structural, but with the exception of Ingraham, none of the prime time line up are actually pro-Trump. Hannity I have my doubts about his sincerity, but idk how much to put stock in rumors, especially from CNN sources. But even assuming he is, those are just two out of hundreds of employees who craft the daily narrative.

Saying that Ingraham and Hannity are just "two out of hundreds of employees" is really crazy marginalization mate, they are two 'employees' who have nightly audiences in the millions, probably more influential than a teleprompter guy. If you are talking about "Hoax" for the CNN rumors, Stelter says outright that "the prime-time stars have all the power"

La france bonapartiste wrote:

Fox is a pro-business channel, not a pro-Trump channel. They are dependent on him for ratings, but privately they despise him, and even sometimes not so privately, for instance Wallace, as you mentioned, Hume, Baier, formerly Meghan Kelly, Cavuto, and others.

I think it's quite an exaggeration to slap a 'thoroughly anti-Trump' label there for occasional criticism, but even if that's accepted uncritically, you're not talking about the best-known and most-watched names at Fox, the best-known person in that list (Kelly) is the one who was critical of not receiving support from the network and left it.

La france bonapartiste wrote:

They tried to tank his candidacy during 2016.

Fox gave a 16-point advantage to Trump v. Clinton in favorability of coverage in 2016. The next closest network was a +20 point advantage to Clinton, CNN was +28 for her.

La france bonapartiste wrote:

Also, Trump constantly criticizes Fox. If they are as pro-Trump as you say, why would he? Read comments on social media from viewers, you will see why I say they are biased against him.

Trump criticizes everyone, mate, it's sort of his thing, he's very much shown how willing he is to go public with any critique on the whim of a perceived slight. Yet, even with that, how often do you see him just tearing down Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham? They're the front-and-center faces of Fox, and he seems to have very little problem with them.

La france bonapartiste wrote:

They are barely covering the RNC, their polling arm is horrendously far left, even more so than CNN or NBC. Notice Trump knocks Fox's polls more than anyone else's.

Sampling methods for polling tell you nothing at all about the editorial direction of a network, unless you want to argue that the New York Times is a right-wing outlet. Fox News polls have tended left since before Trump, just like Rasmussen has trended right.

La france bonapartiste wrote:

They have punished or ousted several pro-Trump personalities such as Pirro, Guilfoyle, Bolling, and Tantaros.

That, for one, you can name so many actively pro-Trump personalities at Fox seems to hurt the argument that the network is thoroughly anti-Trump and, for two, you're really going to attribute all those departures to some kind of anti-Trump conspiracy? Every one of the three on that list that left left amidst sexual harassment issues in three different cases, are all of those just fabrications, apparently? The only one who you could have any argument for suppression based on being pro-Trump is Pirro, and she's still on the air, the worst thing that happened to her was going off for two weeks after comments that had nothing to do with Trump, then they brought her right back on to continue being vocally pro-Trump-if they had this deep conspiracy against him, they would have tossed her then and there.

La france bonapartiste wrote:

They constantly run liberal or establishment talking points, are very much pro-big business and anti-worker. And they often fall into "woke capitalism", as Phydios mentioned.

I could go on and on, tracing every anti-Trump controversy they've had over the past 5 years. It's just a money game for them, there's no politcal agreement. Insiders say they only do what "conservative" spin they do because they're afraid of losing their viewers. Most of them are liberals living in Manhattan, NJ, or DC, and are not in the least bit conservative. It's just a cynical business calculation. Their owners are also massively pro-globalism and cheap labor. In many ways, Trump has done more damage to Fox's ideology than CNN's.

I don't necessarily disagree here. As I said above, (I think you confused my own 'woke capitalism' comment for Phydios), I'm not convinced that the movers and shakers at the base of Fox are conservative in personal belief-but as it stands, that's not near enough to consider the network as it ultimately presents itself in content as thoroughly anti-Trump. I think it may well be a cynical business decision, and that they may well hate Hannity and Carlson and Ingraham, but they continue to employ them regardless of that possibility, and that is what ultimately matters. Maybe they're just putting on a show, but people aren't watching the insides of their minds-they are watching that show.

The fact that Carlson's primary criticisms of Trump have been for not being anti-globalism enough is rather strong evidence that, whatever the beliefs of the executives at Fox, they're not carrying over to the big names of the network that people actually watch, big names that are in rhetoric and viewership the outright largest pro-Trump voices in the U.S.

Phydios wrote:

But on the subject of Abby Johnson, she apparently supports "household voting", where each family gets only one vote. She said that in a godly family, the husband would have the final say on that vote. Not really sure what to even say about that idea. In a godly household, the husband is indeed the head, like the CEO of a company, and the wife is like the COO- just as important but accepting her husband's leadership. (This all assumes that the family isn't broken, like so many are today. There's nothing ungodly about being a single mom because your husband abused or abandoned you.) But voting is not a household matter. It is an individual matter and should remain so.

Household voting as a concept is actually basically equivalent to how voting and traditional representation was conceived in the United States, Great Britain, and other organic democracies: only propertied men could vote and, the idea was, they we really voting on behalf of their household (and what propertied man back then didn't have a family?). I'll brutally paraphrase an English lawyer from the nineteenth century whose name I don't know and say: "In the eyes of the law the family is only one person and the husband is that person."

This idea came out of Christendom in the Middle Ages and its development is, in fact, entirely synchronous with the very development of true representative government (the Roman Republic was not representative). Roman and other ancient societies were extremely patriarchal: in Roman law the father/husband how power over life and death and all law in his house (which included his slaves, property, etc.). Christianity transformed this, slowly, all thanks to 1 Corinthians 11:3. Rather than lording over women, men were now their actually bodily representatives in a legal sense and charged with their protection and were liable for them and this, in course, included voting when that developed into a thing. It didn't stop their either: the bishop was the representative of his "bride" (the local church), the Pope was the representation of Peter, the legates were the representation of the Pope (and a bishop), mayors were the representation of their localities, princes and kings were the representation of their people, stewards were the representation of their rulers, & judges were the representation of justice. This was not in an abstract sense: they were flesh-and-blood, ordained and anointed and acclaimed stand-ins for whatever they presided over. Representation permeated every level of society and this carried over into the modern era in various forms, including it being the entire basis for why women couldn't vote. The breakdown of this concept of representation has, arguably, closely paralleled the rise tyranny in the modern world.

Make senseish maybe? Anyway, there we be substantial problems with implementing this to day, first and foremost because of how broken most families/households are and how utterly fragmented and "unreal" society has become. Perhaps now, at least, you see where the idea was coming from. For further context, the Catholics (especially the women thorough the Katholische Frauenbund) in Switzerland adamantly refused women's "sufferage" until 1971 (1991 in Appenzell Innerrhoden).