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Athara magarat, Alteran republics, Nhoor, and Hyukai
I still exist :)
Havalland, Corsitilia, and Hyukai
Make DC a state
If you want to keep the status quo of 50 just combine North and South Dakota into one
Dormill and Stiura, Corindia, Nhoor, Aizcona, and 2 othersHyukai, and Romsland
If DC becomes a state it defeats the whole purpose of its existence, to form a capital district outside of any one state. The idea was so successful that numerous other countries followed suit. Should they have representation in the House, yes they should, but they should not now or ever be a state.
But then by the original agreement those territories belong to Maryland, just like Alexandria returned to Virginia when it was removed from DC.
Nhoor, Hyukai, and Romsland
Why should they have representation in the house but not the senate? And if you think they should have senate representation, why should they not be a state?
This is pretty much the plan proposed by the bill. Federal buildings/land/monuments/etc will not be included as part of the state
Show me where the original agreement requires the land to be returned if this happens.
As an aside, I'm reasonably certain Maryland doesn't want it anyways
Dormill and Stiura, Aizcona, and Hyukai
It's officially my one year anniversary on NationStates today!
Domanania, Dormill and Stiura, San Montagna, Alteran republics, and 9 othersNhoor, Shidei, Aizcona, New jacobland, Wachoviaa, Hyukai, Westmoor isles, Romsland, and The Tsunterlands
This is the plan
Maryland doesn't want them. Which as the case then they should be allowed to be their own state. Do you remember what the US was founded on? "No taxation without representation." That is the case for this, and also why Puerto Rico should be stated as well. I'd say Guam too but they don't actually want to be a state so fair enough.
Dormill and Stiura, Corindia, Hyukai, and Romsland
Your right Maryland doesn't want them, nor do they want to join Maryland, but the US Constitution states that there must be a Federal Capital District that is outside of any state. If D.C. becomes a state, then can it legally still be the Capital? Puerto Rico, chose to become a Commonwealth and not a state or independent. There has been many plebiscites to change Puerto Rico's status and everyone of them has had the majority wanting to maintain the status quo.
[quote=shidei;43674153]Why should they have representation in the house but not the senate? And if you think they should have senate representation, why should they not be a state?
The House of Representatives was set up to allow representation of the people in Congress, the Senate was suppose to give the State governments representation in Congress. Everyone should have a voting representation in the House, but the City of Washington lacks many requirements for statehood, population not being one of them. I remember this same discussion back in the 70s, one argument was that DC lacks any means to produce goods, they are strictly a service economy, no mines or farmland.
It does say that, which is why the federal lands will not be included in DC statehood. There's no minimum land size requirement, just a maximum one
What are the legal requirements for statehood? And which ones would DC be unable to abide by?
Aizcona and Hyukai
tbh the constitutional arguments against the validity of DC statehood are all basically people muddying the water so they don't have to come out and say why they really don't want it to be a state. Like it's pretty clear the workarounds aren't particularly difficult even without amending anything.
Aizcona and Hyukai
If DC was purple it would be a state by now. I am interested in what they'd call it since DC will still exist
Dormill and Stiura and Hyukai
like it's just a consistent thing you see all the time with these arguments, the right wing position is just a series of bad faith specious arguments that aren't as much an attempt to convince anyone as much as they are an attempt to just wear people down until they stop engaging.
Aizcona and Hyukai
It will probably be DC-Stadt and DC-Land, just like Basel in Switzerland.
Aizcona and Hyukai
plus DC World in Orlando
Nhoor and Hyukai
"It's unfair and anti-democratic!" they cry, as they push forward legislation restricting the ability to vote
"We're being politically oppressed and censored!" they claim, on the most watched news outlet in the country listening to one of the biggest and most popular media personalities on the continent
Dormill and Stiura, Aizcona, and Hyukai
Depends, I’d figure the amount remains somewhat proportional to the RL figure but there’s the question of if AM remains beholden to pay said reparations in the modern day.
For instance, the United Republics (or at least as far as I’ve considered it so far) was legally unbound from paying its IW reparations after reunification, since in that case it is a legally distinct entity from the wartime government and the successor states.
Yay :)
Nhoor, New jacobland, and Hyukai
well keep in mind, germany finished paying off their WW1 debt by the early 2010's, and they paid off their WW2 debt by the 70's. It all depends on how much we think we need to punish you. IRL we discovered that if the reparations are too extreme then it could lead to the collapse of the country and lead to bigger problems.
Segentova and Hyukai