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Hunzali wrote:Also note:

Jesia promised to stop the chinaposts, and we said all "edgy posting", so that includes him. We're not completely targeting only Nazism.

Also why is it so hard to make a statement condemning it?

Due to Section 1 of the constitution.

D.) The Council shall be permitted to issue binding or non-binding resolutions, though this body shall pass no law regulating the free will of a nation to choose their own currency, national name, style of government, national religion or lack thereof, national motto, national flag, capital city or leader.

Condaian

Scalesburg wrote:Well, the way I see it, Ebengar disagreed with Jesia's political "beliefs" or posts (I hope they were in the politics channel). That is fine. However, when Jesia decided to humiliate Ebengar or degrade him for not respecting his beliefs, that was crossing the line, trying to witchhunt.

It wouldn't be the first time Jesia has done this on the politics channel either. I've posted my radical views of Rape Culture being a complete myth and that Male Privilege doesn't exist and he went out of his way to say my view was, in his words, "Sh*ttiest Take of the Year," with no counterargument.

I believe the politics channel is meant to be a place for civil discussion about controversial topics that people consider too hot to see the other side from.

Understood. But this punishment of the "Mute" was for the humiliation/degradation of another member.

Hunzali wrote:Also note:

Jesia promised to stop the chinaposts, and we said all "edgy posting", so that includes him. We're not completely targeting only Nazism.

Also why is it so hard to make a statement condemning it?

I'm trying to find out, with Krimera, how much political freedom should oneself have. If I came out to say I support the idea of Nazism, in real life, but I ONLY ever expressed my views and beliefs in the POLITICS channel on the Discord, would that be okay?

I believe that WOULD be okay, which would make his posts OK. I have a problem with the witch-hunting.

Krimera wrote:Understood. But this punishment of the "Mute" was for the humiliation/degradation of another member.

If that's the reason for the mute, then I 100% support it.

Krimera and Cauva

Scalesburg wrote:I'm trying to find out, with Krimera, how much political freedom should oneself have. If I came out to say I support the idea of Nazism, in real life, but I ONLY ever expressed my views and beliefs in the POLITICS channel on the Discord, would that be okay?

I believe that WOULD be okay, which would make his posts OK. I have a problem with the witch-hunting.

His political posts (WHICH SHOULD BE IN THE POLITICS CHAT) are completely okay, but once he began harassing another member for not sharing his beliefs is when he crossed the line.

Scalesburg and Cauva

Krimera wrote:Due to Section 1 of the constitution.

D.) The Council shall be permitted to issue binding or non-binding resolutions, though this body shall pass no law regulating the free will of a nation to choose their own currency, national name, style of government, national religion or lack thereof, national motto, national flag, capital city or leader.

We're talking about OOC stuff. Not whatever nations do in rp.

Ionalands wrote:We're talking about OOC stuff. Not whatever nations do in rp.

If your OOC political beliefs are something radical, it should remain in the Political Channel. Your political beliefs should NOT be restricted.

Condaian

Ionalands wrote:We're talking about OOC stuff. Not whatever nations do in rp.

The constitution doesn't specify if it has to be in RP or OOC. What I'm trying to say is that the council can't ban a style of government (which is Nazism) from both OOC and IC

Scalesburg wrote:If your OOC political beliefs are something radical, it should remain in the Political Channel. Your political beliefs should NOT be restricted.

Racism and other bigotry should absolutely be against the rules.

They are already on the rmb, so like I dont understand the issue. I am not trying to ban conservatives or anything absurd.

Varzo wrote:So you basically want to make a semi-autonomous region within our region?

Yup

Ionalands wrote:Racism and other bigotry should absolutely be against the rules.

They are already on the rmb, so like I dont understand the issue. I am not trying to ban conservatives or anything absurd.

People should be able to have their beliefs, as long as they don't harass or break any of the other rules they are fine.

Krimera wrote:The constitution doesn't specify if it has to be in RP or OOC. What I'm trying to say is that the council can't ban a style of government (which is Nazism) from both OOC and IC

I dont see why not.

Can we agree that racism, homophobia, sexism etc are against the rules by the constitution? And can we also agree that nazism is an ideology rooted in racism, anti-semitism, homophobia etc, so why would forbidding nazi views be a problem?

Ebengar

Ionalands wrote:Racism and other bigotry should absolutely be against the rules.

They are already on the rmb, so like I dont understand the issue. I am not trying to ban conservatives or anything absurd.

OOC racism, sure.
IC racism, it's your nation-- do whatever, look at Rilandse.

If you believed in hardcore socialism, that should absolutely be expressed on the Politics Channel on the Discord. You should share your beliefs and ideas and express why you hold that belief higher than others, respectfully.

Your political beliefs shouldn't be censored there.

If your nation is roleplaying here hardcore socialism, nazism, etc, it shouldn't be turned away. It's in character. I could make my country full-blown nazism right now. Does that mean I support it outside of playing the game? No.

Ionalands wrote:I dont see why not.

Can we agree that racism, homophobia, sexism etc are against the rules by the constitution? And can we also agree that nazism is an ideology rooted in racism, anti-semitism, homophobia etc, so why would forbidding nazi views be a problem?

Krimera wrote:People should be able to have their beliefs, as long as they don't harass or break any of the other rules they are fine.

If they begin to practice racism, anti-semitism, homophobia and everything else. Then they are breaking the rules, but the act of believing in it but not exercising it on everyone isn't against the rules.

Scalesburg wrote:OOC racism, sure.
IC racism, it's your nation-- do whatever, look at Rilandse.

If you believed in hardcore socialism, that should absolutely be expressed on the Politics Channel on the Discord. You should share your beliefs and ideas and express why you hold that belief higher than others, respectfully.

Your political beliefs shouldn't be censored there.

If your nation is roleplaying here hardcore socialism, nazism, etc, it shouldn't be turned away. It's in character. I could make my country full-blown nazism right now. Does that mean I support it outside of playing the game? No.

He's talking about the problem from an OOC pov.

Krimera wrote:If they begin to practice racism, anti-semitism, homophobia and everything else. Then they are breaking the rules, but the act of believing in it but not exercising it on everyone isn't against the rules.

Exactly. You are allowed to believe in these radical views and express them in the politics channel. However, practicing them onto other nations is NOT okay. There is a civil line.

Hunzali wrote:To all of Novus Lucidum!

Today, me, Ebengar, Ionalands, and Jesia have decided a near total strike on RP until the now burning issue of white supremacy in the region is addressed. With the exception of Ebengar finishing his meeting with IDM, we will stop talking on the Discord, and stop doing IC related posts in total. We want NNE, Krimera, Rilandse, and all government officials to cave into our following demands:

-Public condemnation of Nazism.
-End to 'edgy' posting on Discord and in other places we discuss.
-Ban on nazi imagery in Discord or otherwise.
-A ban on pro-cultural and racial supremacy posts.

TAG: New Nationale Einheit, Krimera, Rilandse, Gothic vandelia.

Can you be more specific with who is going to be attacked by what your proposing? There are many things today consider nazism, very few of which are.

Greater jes new islands

Krimera wrote:If they begin to practice racism, anti-semitism, homophobia and everything else. Then they are breaking the rules, but the act of believing in it but not exercising it on everyone isn't against the rules.

But that's absolutely a problem. I'm not asking we read people's mind or install some sort of test to prove anyone isn't a nazi, everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt.

All I'm saying is, explicit bigotry should be forbidden. If we want to mute Jesia for harassing Ebengar, fine, but racist/bigoted views can be just as upsetting as harrassment.

Hunzali

Ionalands wrote:But that's absolutely a problem. I'm not asking we read people's mind or install some sort of test to prove anyone isn't a nazi, everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt.

All I'm saying is, explicit bigotry should be forbidden. If we want to mute Jesia for harassing Ebengar, fine, but racist/bigoted views can be just as upsetting as harrassment.

Oh this about feelings huh? Feelings have no place in politics. Just a reminder

Greater jes new islands

Condaian wrote:Can you be more specific with who is going to be attacked by what your proposing? There are many things today consider nazism, very few of which are.

https://youtu.be/h27-Aoa6dB4
I posted mao

Hunzali

Ionalands wrote:But that's absolutely a problem. I'm not asking we read people's mind or install some sort of test to prove anyone isn't a nazi, everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt.

All I'm saying is, explicit bigotry should be forbidden. If we want to mute Jesia for harassing Ebengar, fine, but racist/bigoted views can be just as upsetting as harrassment.

As long as they're kept in the politics channel, it is not a problem.

If we want to play snowflake all day, every day, then that's going to be a problem for me. Your simple view of "monarchy", for example, I could just up and say I feel offended and upset by that. That's wrong.

We shouldn't push for people to not accept their own political ideologies because their gaming peers disagree with it.

Greater jes new islands wrote:https://youtu.be/h27-Aoa6dB4
I posted mao

Well while mao was a pos, that doesnt really seem horrible. Are you in direct support of his policies and methods?

Greater jes new islands

Condaian wrote:Oh this about feelings huh? Feelings have no place in politics. Just a reminder

Ok Ben Shapiro.

Politics is all about "feelings" that is just reality.

Ebengar and Hunzali

Ionalands wrote:But that's absolutely a problem. I'm not asking we read people's mind or install some sort of test to prove anyone isn't a nazi, everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt.

All I'm saying is, explicit bigotry should be forbidden. If we want to mute Jesia for harassing Ebengar, fine, but racist/bigoted views can be just as upsetting as harrassment.

Once again, racism is considered a crime in the region towards another member. Meanwhile, bigotry isn't banned due to being a difference of opinion. Once it becomes more than that and the individual begins attacking the member of the opposite view, then that is breaking rules.

It ties in with the comment you just quoted.

Krimera wrote:If they begin to practice racism, anti-semitism, homophobia and everything else. Then they are breaking the rules, but the act of believing in it but not exercising it on everyone isn't against the rules.

Scalesburg and Condaian

Greater jes new islands

Condaian wrote:Well while mao was a pos, that doesnt really seem horrible. Are you in direct support of his policies and methods?

I posted xi jinping and China is the best country in the world. When I was asked to stop I didn't
Thats all that happened

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