Novus Lucidum Board

Ionalands wrote:

Ok Ben Shapiro.

Politics is all about "feelings" that is just reality.

If someone's political opinion affects you to the point you feel even slightly upset or sad, then there's a problem with you. I'm just saying, we do not live in a perfect world where we all think the same and believe in the same things.

Condaian

Greater jes new islands wrote:

I posted xi jinping and China is the best country in the world. When I was asked to stop I didn't
Thats all that happened

You continued afterwards with the harassment of Ebengar.

Greater jes new islands and Scalesburg

Ionalands

Scalesburg wrote:

As long as they're kept in the politics channel, it is not a problem.

If we want to play snowflake all day, every day, then that's going to be a problem for me. Your simple view of "monarchy", for example, I could just up and say I feel offended and upset by that. That's wrong.

We shouldn't push for people to not accept their own political ideologies because their gaming peers disagree with it.

This region is supposed to be an inclusive region.

Nazism is an evil worldview, it's not just something I disagree with. I think it's very easy for some people to say "we should tolerate all views" when that view doesn't include your rights being taken away.

I can never tell anyone what beliefs they can and can't have, but in will say the discord or the rmb are not an appropriate place to share your bigoted views.

Ebengar

Greater jes new islands

Krimera wrote:

You continued afterwards with the harassment of Ebengar.

I know

Ionalands wrote:

This region is supposed to be an inclusive region.

Nazism is an evil worldview, it's not just something I disagree with. I think it's very easy for some people to say "we should tolerate all views" when that view doesn't include your rights being taken away.

I can never tell anyone what beliefs they can and can't have, but in will say the discord or the rmb are not an appropriate place to share your bigoted views.

The same can be said with communism, the same view can have your rights taken away.

Condaian

Greater jes new islands wrote:

I posted xi jinping and China is the best country in the world. When I was asked to stop I didn't
Thats all that happened

You should be able to post this. Its not politics without freedom of speech. Unless you promoted the genocides in china, then I understand why you were suppressed

Greater jes new islands

Condaian

Scalesburg wrote:

If someone's political opinion affects you to the point you feel even slightly upset or sad, then there's a problem with you. I'm just saying, we do not live in a perfect world where we all think the same and believe in the same things.

This is very correct thank you

Scalesburg

Greater jes new islands

Condaian wrote:

You should be able to post this. Its not politics without freedom of speech. Unless you promoted the genocides in china, then I understand why you were suppressed

:-)

Condaian

Ionalands wrote:

This region is supposed to be an inclusive region.

Nazism is an evil worldview, it's not just something I disagree with. I think it's very easy for some people to say "we should tolerate all views" when that view doesn't include your rights being taken away.

I can never tell anyone what beliefs they can and can't have, but in will say the discord or the rmb are not an appropriate place to share your bigoted views.

Novus Lucidum is and always will be an inclusive region.

Nazism is OKAY IF you are using it for roleplay purposes ONLY AND/OR agree with its political ideologies (BUT THAT CAN ONLY BE EXPRESSED IN THE POLITICS CHANNEL ON THE DISCORD).

If you start practicing your nazism views OOC, and OUT of the Political Discord Channel, THEN there may, potentially be a problem, depending on the circumstances. Like I said, we can't play snowflake on all political beliefs that people don't believe in, that's just a mess.

Condaian

Greater jes new islands wrote:

I know

Oh if you harassed then yeah you earned the result.

Hunzali

Alright, people are stalling here. I want to talk to the governor about this, i'm not saying Jesia is innocent, but our demands are beyond simple.

Scalesburg wrote:

If someone's political opinion affects you to the point you feel even slightly upset or sad, then there's a problem with you. I'm just saying, we do not live in a perfect world where we all think the same and believe in the same things.

If I get upset because someone's political view's include genocide, I think I have every right to be. Oh, someone put up a swastika on my house and said "it's just my view"? Well then, no need to get upset.
/s.

Ionalands

Krimera wrote:

The same can be said with communism, the same view can have your rights taken away.

I'm spoken against communism many times, but communism is not an inherently bigoted ideology. The mere advoaction for it is not something I agree with at all, but it is not offensive.

"But communism" is a lazy way to deflect valid complaints about nazism. If someone on the discord is advocating for people's rights to taken away, then yes, maybe they should be muted.

Hunzali

Hunzali wrote:

Alright, people are stalling here. I want to talk to the governor about this, i'm not saying Jesia is innocent, but our demands are beyond simple.
If I get upset because someone's political view's include genocide, I think I have every right to be. Oh, someone put up a swastika on my house and said "it's just my view"? Well then, no need to get upset.
/s.

What political spectrum do you believe in? Democracy? Monarchy?

Greater jes new islands

Condaian

Hunzali wrote:

Alright, people are stalling here. I want to talk to the governor about this, i'm not saying Jesia is innocent, but our demands are beyond simple.
If I get upset because someone's political view's include genocide, I think I have every right to be. Oh, someone put up a swastika on my house and said "it's just my view"? Well then, no need to get upset.
/s.

Your upset over the genocide in particular, not the ideology overall. Also, horrible example with the paint thing. Thats a crime, and you can be upset over the fact they damaged your property.

Hunzali wrote:

Alright, people are stalling here. I want to talk to the governor about this, i'm not saying Jesia is innocent, but our demands are beyond simple.
If I get upset because someone's political view's include genocide, I think I have every right to be. Oh, someone put up a swastika on my house and said "it's just my view"? Well then, no need to get upset.
/s.

Oh, just like Jesia's posts of china on the discord then? But the attack on your house is against the rules due to it being harassment.

Condaian

Hunzali

Scalesburg wrote:

What political spectrum do you believe in? Democracy? Monarchy?

Why does this at all matter? You are stalling from the main demands here, man.

Rilandse

Edited

I will make this clear and if you all don't like it, oh well.

I can say, with certainty in my heart, mind, and all that I know, that Cauva, Krimera, and I do not condone or accept Nazi ideology. I believe edgy humor to be ok. No one fussed when Jesia published Pro-PRC memes (Except Ebengar), when Anacodia dehumanizes and defends the murder of millions of Russians, etc. Our region tags are anti-fascism, yet not anti-communism.

There is a bias within this community, which I will not submit to onto the discord. I have no ill-will against Jesia, I think he is just a memer, but that doesn't mean I will allow him to try and get myself, whilst doing it himself, anger Ebengar purposefully.

Nazism is evil, communism is evil. If I am to ban Nazi imagery, even in satire, pictures or symbols of pro-socialist and pro-communist ideology will receive the same punishment. None of us are white supremacists, and to claim we are is slander.

New Nationale Einheit, Scalesburg, Cauva, and Condaian

Ionalands

Scalesburg wrote:

If someone's political opinion affects you to the point you feel even slightly upset or sad, then there's a problem with you. I'm just saying, we do not live in a perfect world where we all think the same and believe in the same things.

That's a very privileged thing to say.

It's so so easy to tell me "just deal with it". I should not have to deal with people literally advocating for my death.

Hunzali

Condaian wrote:

Your upset over the genocide in particular, not the ideology overall. Also, horrible example with the paint thing. Thats a crime, and you can be upset over the fact they damaged your property.

--Which is practicing the belief of it. Which is what we're discussing right now.

Which is why I'm saying that snowflaking for every political spectrum that anyone claims as "bad" or "hurtful" to their character, then politics won't ever exist in this region.

Condaian

Ionalands wrote:

I'm spoken against communism many times, but communism is not an inherently bigoted ideology. The mere advoaction for it is not something I agree with at all, but it is not offensive.

"But communism" is a lazy way to deflect valid complaints about nazism. If someone on the discord is advocating for people's rights to taken away, then yes, maybe they should be muted.

Once again, if its harassment then it is against the rules. But if they keep it in the politics chat then it is fine.

Scalesburg and Condaian

Hunzali

Krimera wrote:

Oh, just like Jesia's posts of china on the discord then? But the attack on your house is against the rules due to it being harassment.

Why are we trying to focus on Jesia here? I ain't defending anything he did, but this is straying away from the main point: a public condemnation of OOC nazism and a ban on edgyposting is not alot to ask for.

Ionalands

Rilandse wrote:

I will make this clear and if you all don't like it, oh well.

I can say, with certainty in my heart, mind, and all that I know, that Cauva, Krimera, and I do not condone or accept Nazi ideology. I believe edgy humor to be ok. one fussed when Jesia published Pro-PRC memes, when Anacodia dehumanizes and defends the murder of millions of Russians etc. Our region tags are anti-fascism, yet not anti-communism.

There is a bias within this community, which I will not submit to onto the discord. I have no ill-will against Jesia, I think he is just a memer, but that doesn't mean I will allow him to try and get myself, whilst doing it himself, anger Ebengar purposefully.

Nazism is evil, communism is evil. If I am to ban Nazi imagery, even in satire, pictures or symbols of pro-socialist and pro-communist ideology will receive the same punishment. None of us are white supremacists, and to claim we are is slander.

Absolutely untrue.

Hunzali

Condaian

Scalesburg wrote:

--Which is practicing the belief of it. Which is what we're discussing right now.

Which is why I'm saying that snowflaking for every political spectrum that anyone claims as "bad" or "hurtful" to their character, then politics won't ever exist in this region.

Right. Your very correct.

Scalesburg

Greater jes new islands