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Verdant Haven wrote:snippety snip

And on RMB page 2020.

And thus the inevitable has come to pass. Errinundera is no longer among us.

Today I am sure will be a rush of emotions, a time of feeling and a moment for reflection. For some, the CTE of this veteran player,- no, a friend, will fill the day with sorrow. Which is completely understandable. Our founder was a welcome presence in the region, a friend to all and his absence will be sourly noted.

But for others, including I must unfortunately confess myself, there will be a measure of relief intertwined with the mourning. In truth, Errinundera had no longer been with us for almost a year. Sure, he was logging in and staying alive, but beyond this there was nothing; no activity, no interaction, no life.

Whether this living death had been done manually or through an automated script is a mystery. But that question, as of today, is obsolete.

Like with the taproot of many a plant, the region's governance was forced into the same position. Without a founder able to hire or fire regional officers, Forest's government had to remain in place far beyond the constitutional term limit. Stepping down was a no-go without there being any ability to replace any officer. Ideas about new departments and new talents were frankly a taboo subject. In government, the only real conversation possible became what to do about the zombie founder, a bleak discussion about whether to pull a destructive nuclear option or whether to accept the slow stagnation of decay.

In these dark times however, we had ample time to prepare. An ironic benefit to having an unwilling eternal government was a lot of time for many telegrams about how in the fresh hell we could avoid having a situation like that arise again. Among these preparations was the concept of the current amendment imminently to be put up to a vote.

As such, I would strongly urge the membership to support the Forest Amendment. A large region with almost 500 members needs a constitution appropriate for that situation. Solid contingencies about how to ensure stable, democratic and accountable government must be enshrined in a way that doesn't unwittingly rest all power in one pair of hands.

Today is a day of mourning, no doubt about it. But falling trees provide a space a for new growth, thus ensuring the continued life of the Forest. Please support the Forest Amendment as soon as it's up for a vote.

Chan island wrote:Errinundera is no longer among us.

We're all sus on this sus day.

Frieden-und Freudenland, Chan island, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 9 othersOuter Bele Levy Epies, Terrabod, Imperium helvetiorum, Northern Wood, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Garbelia, Kepler-0085, and Dark chocolate enthusiasts

Kepler-0085

Roless wrote:And on RMB page 2020.

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i knew 2020 was cursed

Inner Bele Levy Epies wrote:We're all sus on this sus day.

*report button*
(I'm lime btw)
Roless: Where?
Me: In reactor, CTE is sus

Verdant Haven wrote:OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POST

Dear Citizens of Forest.

Errinundera has CTE'd.

While this is very unfortunate from the perspective of losing a veteran player and long-time friend of causes we all hold near and dear, this is an important moment for Forest. We have been stuck in a holding pattern for some time, unable to move forward or backward, and unable to resolve our long-overdue elections. I want to explain what our next steps are, so there is no confusion or concern - we are in a very good spot to respond to this.

By game rule, with the CTE of the Founder, the WA Delegate gains Executive Authority in the region. Our WA Delegate is Ruinenlust, with whom I have already discussed the plans that follow.

Per the Constitution of Forest, the following things are now true:

1) All powers designated to the Founder are now designated to the Delegate - Ruinenlust.

2) Per the Constitution, Ruinenlust will shortly place a password on region. The password won't be distributed, but will be a temporary measure.

3) No elections can proceed under our current Constitution, however votes of other types can occur. This is important, because...

4) I have previously written and prepared an amendment proposal for exactly this occasion. It is now within Ruinenlust's power to approve this proposed amendments in order to allow a vote. The current Constitution would require us to destroy Forest and re-found a new region. That was a plan created when we were small, and our roots were still shallow. It is not appropriate for the region now, but alas Errin CTE'd prior to approving the amendment in question. This amendment, if approved by you the citizens, will prevent us from having to destroy the region, and will instead permit us to move forward as a proper region.

For your consideration, I present the Forest Omnibus ReESTablishment proposal - aka The FOREST amendment. The amendment proposal is as follows:

The Forest Omnibus ReESTablishment Proposal (the FOREST Amendment)

Combined constitutional amendment proposals affecting Articles 4 and 7 of the Forest Constitution.

What follows is the proposed wording for amendments to articles 4 and 7 of the Constitution of Forest. These amendments serve to clarify certain details around the election process, to alter some no-longer-necessary legal requirements in the unfortunate event of a Founder CTE, and to allow the region's healthy operation into the future.

- Where original text is removed, it is shown with strike-through lettering, like this.

- Where new text is added or overwritten by the proposal, it is shown in italic letting, like this.

Following the section for each article is a brief description and discussion explaining the perceived need for the change, and what the intention of the proposed new or altered text.

Proposed Text:


Article 4 – Forest Keeper Elections

4.1

Replace

“The Forest Keeper shall be elected for a 6 month term. Election season begins on March 16th and September 16th at 12:01 am GMT (Greenwich Mean Time).”

With

“The Forest Keeper shall be elected for a nominal 6 month term. Election season begins as soon after March 16th and September 16th at 00:01 UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) as the Founder is able to initiate the steps listed in this article.”

Discussion

The purpose of this alteration to Article 4 is to avoid having an interregnum in the event the election process is delayed, as we experienced in the spring 2020 election. As currently written, the term and authority of the Forest Keeper ends one minute after midnight on the identified date, regardless of whether or not the election process has actually been initiated. In spring 2020, this left us for a number of weeks with no legal government in place, and a great deal of uncertainty about how to proceed. Ever since the fall election which never occurred, we have been forced to overlook this technical language in order to have a functioning region. This minor wording change redefines the election season to begin when the Founder triggers the process, rather than just at a specific time, and so allows serving government officers to continue legally performing their jobs if there is a delay. The phrasing is also adjusted to reflect the accepted global standard for timekeeping, rather than just a timezone.


Article 7 – Founder Ceasing to Exist

7.1

Replace

“Should the founder cease to exist, the WA delegate has emergency authority to take on the roles generally reserved for the founder. The WA delegate shall only have those powers identified in this constitution and should he step outside of these authorities, a new WA delegate shall be informally selected by the WA nations, preferably with the Forest Keeper's (if separate nations) recommendation. Change of the WA delegate during this emergency period shall be undertaken only if absolutely necessary.”

With

“Should the founder cease to exist, the WA delegate has emergency authority to take on the roles generally reserved for the founder. The WA delegate shall only have those powers identified in this constitution. Should the delegate overreach their authorities, the Forest Keeper (if separate from the WA delegate) or a majority of regional officers (if the WA delegate and Forest Keeper are the same) may initiate the process for replacement of the WA delegate, using the procedures outlined elsewhere in this constitution for WA delegate selection. Should a WA delegate eliminate all regional officer positions or otherwise cause the officership to go rogue, the WA nations of Forest retain final authority to replace the delegate via informal means with their endorsements. Change of the WA delegate during this emergency period shall be undertaken only if absolutely necessary.”

"In addition to the powers specified above, the WA Delegate shall have the authority to temporarily password lock the region, if it is necessary to protect the region from imminent threat. Such a lock shall exist only for the duration of such a threat, and must be removed after no more than two weeks unless extension is approved by greater than 50% of native resident WA nations participating in a poll lasting at least three days."

7.2

Replace

"The WA delegate shall password protect Forest without distributing the password as soon as possible. Forest will then take a 3 week (21 day) waiting period. During this time plans may be made for re-founding but no active re-founding actions will be undertaken. All elections and recall elections are suspended until the founder returns or Forest is successfully re-founded. Should the founder return at any time of the re-founding process, Forest shall return to normal. If the WA delegate also cease to exist the nation with the most endorsements is the new WA delegate."

With

"In the event that section 7.1 is in effect, the WA delegate and the Forest Keeper (if different), or the WA delegate and a minimum of three other regional officers (if the Forest Keeper and WA Delegate are the same individual) may mutually determine whether or not the refounding of Forest is worthy of consideration. If all parties are in agreement that it is worthy of consideration, the following poll shall be created: “Shall we begin preparations to refound Forest with a new Founder?” with the response options of “Yes” and “No.” The poll shall be open to all native resident WA nations of Forest, and must be open for a period of at least one week. The series of actions outlined in this section shall only be legal if the WA delegate has held that position for at least one full week."

7.3

Replace

The WA delegate shall work to re-found Forest. First an election will be held similar to elections in Article 4.

With

If the result of the poll is greater than 50% in favor of refounding, the WA Delegate shall place a password lock on the region for the remainder of the refounding process. Additional polls shall then be held to identify a new founding nation. These polls shall follow the same procedures as those for the election of a Forest Keeper, with the necessary language changes to reflect the position in question. The region shall then follow the steps outlined in the remaining sections of Article 7"

"If the result of the poll is not in favor of refounding as previously described, the region shall remain in operation in its present status and with its present laws. Another such poll may not be held until 3 months have passed."

7.4 and 7.5

Unchanged

7.6

Add New Section

“Should the CTE’d Founder return to active status at any point during the Article 7 process, and indicate that they are prepared to resume their role, the Article 7 process shall be cancelled, the password removed, and regional operations shall return to their previous normal condition."

Discussion

There are a number of changes to Article 7 that are necessary to address the fact that Forest is no longer a small region. These changes are critically important because the Constitution, if not amended, leaves no wiggle room - it demands that if the Founder should CTE, Forest must be destroyed and refounded. This is no longer appropriate. This set of changes is designed to provide the necessary flexibility for Forest to continue operations under the auspices of an executive delegate, while allowing for the refounding process to occur if (and only if) it is determined to be necessary. Specifically:

Section 7.1 - Changes to clarify process, provide further options before calling for informal mob rule, remove gendered language, and clarify who can execute certain powers.
Section 7.2 - Remove the requirement to immediately lock the region and commence planning for refounding. Replace with language that makes it strictly optional, and provides for a poll of our native resident WA nations in the event it should be determined necessary.
Section 7.3 - Further removes the requirement to refound with steps for proceeding should that option be chosen by the population. Moves the requirement to lock the region to occur if, and only if, the population does decide in favor of refounding.
Section 7.6 - A new section added to include language (moved from elsewhere) that the return of the original Founder will cancel the process, if they indicate they wish to resume their duties (a source of consternation when Devdan returned but remained silent during the founderless period 13+ years ago, and a potential problem in the event of an automated login script otherwise).

Vote Result
Brought to vote 8 Mar 2021
Poll closed 11 Mar 2021
Result: Passed
Yes 53, No 2
page=poll/p=170700

Read dispatch

I will also post the text of this to our off-site forums.

Please provide any feedback you may have as soon as possible. In a couple days time, I will be formally requesting Ruinenlust's approval to bring it to a vote, will then do so will all speed, per Article 8.

If the amendment vote is successful, we will once again have full control of our region, and can then proceed with the Executive WAD in place to carry out our elections, further amendments as needed, and otherwise continue with the life Forest deserves.

We have the tools at our disposal to work through this challenge, and I ask for everybody's support in this, what I hope will at long-last be the final acts of my term in office. Thank you all for being an amazing region - together we can handle things I believe few other regions could.

Yours,
Verdant Haven

Little nitpicking question:

Is it possible to change the GMT to UTC? I guess not if we would need to change it to every other part in the constitution also.

For those who do not know what UTC is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time

..:: Official Government Post of Particular Importance ::..

Dearest Friends and Fellow Citizens,

I never thought I'd be writing this, but Errinundera, our beloved Founder who has very sadly sort of faded away over the past year in stages and since August altogether, has formally Ceased to Exist. Regardless of how things proceed, I hope very much that the individual person behind Errin is alive and well, and has merely grown tired of the game or has busyness in their lives. In any event, after waking up and fiddling with it a bit, I figured out that in order to password protect the region, I had to give myself the Border Control power, so that's that done. Baby steps!

I would like to echo Verdant Haven (who deserves a thousand accolades for sticking with the Keepership through what has been an indefinite period of Errin's pseudo-existence) that the constitution should be updated so that we are not required to destroy the region. I have read over the proposed changes, and I think everything looks good. I'd like to have the citizens of Forest read it over and see if there are proposals, changes, ideas, red flags that we missed, etc. before formally giving approval, because then we have to move right on to the poll, and I'd like for everyone to have a day or so to process the new situation that we find ourselves in. So please look it over; the actions we take over the next few weeks in getting everything back into working order will set the stage for the future.

I'd like to just take this opportunity to share my warmest internet feelings for everyone here, especially those of you who have been active in Forest either now or in the past, and at any point in time since I've been here. When I found NationStates in August of 2016, and made a nation on a lark, I never thought that I would end up finding a community of people with whom I connect and which I feel so much a part of. NS has been the best internet community experience I've ever had, and I think that the particular individuals of the Forest have made all of the difference. It's been a great time, and I am incredibly honored and humbled to now be in this new role. :-)

To satisfy my own occasional feelings that amount to Imposter's Syndrome, I'd like to reiterate and underscore my standing offer to the region:
As with the [eternal] Foreign Ministry, and much more recently the WA Delegacy, I'd like to emphasize that if the consensus ever becomes that I am not equal to the task, and that I'm no longer contributing to things but rather acting as dead weight, I absolutely want to be made of that fact, and I will arrange to resign and have someone else replace me by following the procedures. I do not want to be doing this simply by inertia, so if things take a dip, I will happily and willingly dip out of the role. My concern is the good health and vitality of the region, full stop, insofar as I assume any government role.

Aside from that, please contact Verdant Haven, Chan island, (or anyone in the government) with any questions, feedback, requests, observations, etc., and as always, my inbox is always open, and you can always just draw my attention to the RMB.

Let us move beyond this suspended animation of the past year, and see what the new years bring!

All the best,
The Total Solar Eclipse of Ruinenlust, XWADEFAB (Executive World Assembly Delegate and Eternal Foreign Affairs Branch, I guess? Pronounced: x-wa-deh-fab?)

(On a personal note, I'd like to point out that this is all happening on my 200th day as WA Delegate, and on the day that Ruinenlust, my first and essentially only nation, has reached 10 billion citizens! [For lore purposes, squirrels and large trees count as citizens; we only have about 10-15 million humans, lol.])

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Imperium helvetiorum

Re: 7.3

'If the result of the poll is at least 50%+1 in favor of refounding, [...]'

I'm being nitpicky here, but I don't think '50%+1' is legally readable. I suggest to replace 'at least 50%+1' with 'more than 50 per cent'.

'If the result of the poll is not in favor of refounding as previously described, the region shall remain in operation in its present status and with its present laws. Another such poll may not be held until 3 months have passed'.

What is the rationale behind the 3-month cooldown period?

Verdant Haven

(More commentary may follow soon, I haven't fully digested the whole proposal.)

Kepler-0085 wrote:*report button*
(I'm lime btw)
Roless: Where?
Me: In reactor, CTE is sus

I saw Card Bele Levy Epies vent in electrical. Porg Easka is sus too.

Hey look it's page current year!

Anyway, I was not expecting Errinundera to CTE, even though they have been merely treading water and have come close to doing so many times in the last few months. I've not been here for very long; only about a year plus a few months, and yet in that short time some longstanding parts of Forest's status quo have changed: not only has the founder CTE'd, but there was a delegate change for the first time pretty much ever, and not once since I arrived here has the electoral process happened without anything going wrong. It almost makes me feel like a bad omen haha.

On a related note, depending on when the amendments are adopted, will we act as though the Sep 2020 election happened and assume that the current government members' terms expire on/near March 16? Or will we hold elections ASAP once the amendments are adopted, regardless of whether March 16 has passed?

I'm happy to support the proposed constitutional amendment. It does an impressive job of providing continuity by averting a refound and enabling an election while starting from the provisions of the existing constitution, without any extra-legal rupture. The next government can then oversee decisions on our longer term political structure and whether we need tweaks to the constitution or a complete rewrite. Thanks to the current government for doing their homework thoroughly during the impasse.

Nation of ecologists

Argh, why did Errinundera have to CTE while I was asleep?

In any case, this is both sad (RIP) and also kind of good given that they hadn't really been active in any case since like 2020. Well, at least I get to vote on the amendment!

I think amending the constitution is the best option, I have not supported the refounding of Forest as I wrote it in the constitution for years as Forest has changed.

As for the departure of Errinundera it is very sad. He, along with @karock (who has been quite quiet lately as well) are people I've know longest on NS. Here's Adgio for Strings in his honor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmFvUo1iNUs

At last, a chance for Raider Bele Levy Epies to take over

OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POST

Statement to our allies, friends, and ambassadors on the subject of Forest's Constitutional transition process

A message for:

The Ambassadors of our allied regions, here in residence
Forest's Ambassadors to our friends and allies

Please share this official statement regarding our Founder's CTE with Forest's allied governments as you judge it right and appropriate to do so:

--------------

Greetings, friends and allies of Forest!

In last night's major update, beginning the 7th of March 2021, Forest's founder and longest resident Errinundera CTE'd. Though we are unsure of the causes, and hope that all is well for the person behind the name, this event was not entirely unexpected. For some time we have seen the signs, and were able to lay out all the steps and safeguards necessary to ensure an orderly transition to Forest being a stable, Delegate-led region. Because of the nature of Forest's democracy, this change will not significantly impact the long-term function of our government.

As we speak, the necessary Constitutional procedures are being undertaken to make this transition smoothly, and we do not anticipate any significant interruption or alteration to our status, alliances, commitments, or activities. In accordance with Forest law long-ago written for just such an occasion, a password has been placed on the region while we complete this process. This is a temporary state of affairs, and we anticipate that within a short period of time, the necessary votes will have been completed to allow the lifting of this password, and our long-awaited transition to the next government.

We thank you for your ongoing friendship, and look forward to many years of continued growth together.

Verdant Haven
Forest Keeper of Forest

--------------

I can't help myself but wondering what are the roles and significance of every Bele Levy Epies iteration in their lore..

Love and Nature wrote:

Is it possible to change the GMT to UTC? I guess not if we would need to change it to every other part in the constitution also.

This is actually the only point in the Constitution where time of day is referenced, so this is definitely an easy change to make. Thank you for the feedback – I will tweak it accordingly.

Lura wrote:On a related note, depending on when the amendments are adopted, will we act as though the Sep 2020 election happened and assume that the current government members' terms expire on/near March 16? Or will we hold elections ASAP once the amendments are adopted, regardless of whether March 16 has passed?

As we are so close to March 16th, and this process will take us right up to the cusp of it, I think it would be reasonable for us to begin operating in accordance with the newly approved (fingers crossed) constitutional change as written. In other words, if this passes, I would support putting it into action on the 16th, thus immediately reflecting the new legal norm and setting the standard for the future.

Imperium helvetiorum wrote:

'If the result of the poll is at least 50%+1 in favor of refounding, [...]'

I'm being nitpicky here, but I don't think '50%+1' is legally readable. I suggest to replace 'at least 50%+1' with 'more than 50 per cent'.

I used that terminology for legal consistency (it is written that way in three other places throughout the document), but I believe you are actually correct here. After looking into it, despite being commonly seen, 50%+1 is not actually a proper rendition of this language. I will adjust it to reflect your suggestion, and will recommend to my successor that they look into having the other instances similarly changed.

Imperium helvetiorum wrote:

'If the result of the poll is not in favor of refounding as previously described, the region shall remain in operation in its present status and with its present laws. Another such poll may not be held until 3 months have passed'.

What is the rationale behind the 3-month cooldown period?

Basically, it prevents rapid re-running of votes on the most critical of questions without adequate time to reflect and measure consequence.

One of the scenarios that faces a Delegate-led region (despite the unlikelihood in one of our size) is the potential for both rapid changes in delegacy (deliberate or not), and for hostile takeover of the delegacy. This language is to ensure legal protection against hostile action where multiple attempted votes interspersed with rounds of ejections of the opposition try to gain legal cover for destruction of the region. I can't think of a scenario in which we would hold a vote on whether to destroy the region, that vote would fail, but then the whole situation would change sufficiently to require another such vote in less than 3 months. As I've sometimes said, we are the trees that grow, not the leaves that blow. We move deliberately and with consideration – there's no benefit to knee-jerk reaction at this level.

"the the fall election" One the I imagine but not really the constitution so meh
"Election season begins as soon after" Is this a technical phrase meaning "as soon as OR after" or is this a mixed phrases thing? :P

Otherwise FULL agreement with this.

Nattily dressed anarchists on bicycles

pfft.."government."

[does that two-finger "I'm watching you" thing at all the "NOT TO BE REMOVED" furniture labels]

Jutsa, Mount Seymour, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 5 othersOuter Bele Levy Epies, Northern Wood, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, and The most serene republicans

Jutsa wrote:"the the fall election" One the I imagine but not really the constitution so meh
"Election season begins as soon after" Is this a technical phrase meaning "as soon as OR after" or is this a mixed phrases thing? :P

Otherwise FULL agreement with this.

Removed the double "the" instances from the Discussion portion - thank you for the catch!

The "as soon after" language is to reflect that the election season begins when the Executive initiates the process, which is to be as soon as possible after that time/date has passed. This modification is because previously it simply stated that the season started at that date and time without regard to whether we actually had an Executive initiate it. Because the start of election season, rather than the initiation of the election, is what terminated the previous government's time in office, it resulted in a legal power vacuum. Rephrasing it this way eliminates that problem by linking the two occurrences.

Outer Bele Levy Epies wrote:I saw Card Bele Levy Epies vent in electrical. Porg Easka is sus too.

We have three impostors, so why dont we vote them out round by round, lets start with CTE;
CTE was an impostor

Verdant Haven wrote:*Snip*

If Forest were to be re-founded, wouldn't it lose the Commendation?

Shalotte wrote:If Forest were to be re-founded, wouldn't it lose the Commendation?

Yes. If Forest were to be re-founded, it would lose everything - the history, the commend, the RMB, the embassies - it's a complete wipe of the slate, no different than a completely new person showing up and founding their own region on day one. "Re-founding" is the polite term for when a region does that, but tries to carry forward the traditions of their former region by having the same people, same ideals, etc and starting again.

There are many reasons why we urgently desire to avoid that fate (hence the amendment being proposed).

Nation of ecologists wrote:Well, at least I get to vote on the amendment!

Uh, only WA nations can vote on amendments according to clause 8.4 of the constitution. You'd have to join the World Assembly if you want to vote on it.

Also note this is the 200th day Ruinenlust has been delegate.

Suspicious coincidence if you ask me. :thonking:

I’m too new to NS to have ever really known Errinunderra, but I have heard so much about how great they were, and this is truly a sad day for Forest.

However, it does finally break us from the cycle of missed elections that we’ve been having, so I urge everyone to vote yes for the FOREST Amendment.

As Diplomatic Root, I will be shortly sending all of our ambassadors the message written by VH, for them to dispatch to our allies. If you have not received a telegram within the next couple days, please reach out to me. In addition, since not all of our embassy regions have ambassadors, I shall be going from one to the next within the next few days, sending out VH’s message. If anyone could help with this, that would be much appreciated. I’m also going to be going around, checking the progress of the Dispatching Process.

It does seem fitting that they CTE’d on the 2020th page of the RMB, and I must agree that it is a bit sus that it is Ruinenlust’s 200th day as WA Delegate and that their population has reached 10 billion.

And assuming the passage of the FOREST Amendment, we will soon be having our election season. Assuming that I do not run (I haven’t really given it any thought), I will (on a purely non-governmental, for-fun level, of course) be reporting periodically on the election process. So my first question: has anyone decided on running yet?

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