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Askerike wrote:

Renewable energy just isn't there yet, it's coming.... but strip mining for lithium is just as bad as fossil fuels.

Solar Farms, Wind Energy, Hydro Electric, they're all good starts but in a large diverse landscape like the USA what do you do? Mass deforestation for the sake of solar and Wind Farms? Cities with already maxed out power grids, trying to fit in electric vehicles? The successful implementation is decades, maybe a lifetime, away. And we DO have that kind of time barring a nuclear war.

As far as the ice, they're still just guessing. Remember I said we're in an ice age that's been going on for atleast 2.5 million years, but their ice data only goes back a fifth of that time, if that far.

There are cities AND ENTIRE CIVILIZATIONS that were lost to rising ocean levels centuries before Plato's time. The land bridge between Spain and Africa, so much land in the Mediterranean, the bridge of Britain to mainland Europe. There wasn't just an earthquake and they slid off in the sea.

Are you going to tell me Fabled Atlantis caused all that with green house gas emissions? You might as well, it sounds equally kooky.

Glacial and interglacial periods come and go in ice ages. Ice ages themselves come and go. Naturally. We wont be able to stop it, so the best effort is too look to cope with it. Biodomes, solar radiation filtering, space colonization.

Argument, Climate change is natural and normal, it happened in other points in history.
It’s true, that there have been periods of global warming and global cooling, also related to spikes in greenhouse gases, during the Earth’s long history. But those historic increases in CO2 should be a warning to us; as they led to serious environmental disruptions, including mass extinctions. Today, is a fact that humans are emitting greenhouse gases at a far higher rate than any previous increase in history.

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/scientists-agree-global-warming-happening-humans-primary-cause

"Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of green-house gases are the highest in history. […] Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia.

The scientific consensus is clear. Building on two previous studies, a landmark 2013 peer-reviewed study evaluated 10,306 scientists to confirm that over 97 percent climate scientists agree, and over 97 percent of scientific articles find that global warming is real and largely caused by humans.

A more recent peer-reviewed paper examined existing studies on consensus in climate research, and concluded that the 97 percent estimate is robust.

This level of consensus is equivalent to the level of agreement among scientists that smoking causes cancer – a statement that very few people, if any, contest today."

Believe the UN lol.

Askerike wrote:

You keep saying the same things, yet today there is a blizzard in Montana and Alberta... and have not addressed anything remotely about past interglacial causes or why only a small sample period, less than 1/5th, of this current ice age is cherry-picked?

You also can not say that smoking causes cancer, because people smoke every day and never have cancer. The science is that there's evidence to support that smoking increases the likelihood of cancer. If it flat out caused cancer then everyone who smoked would 100% have cancer. Or you could say smoking increases your exposure to carcinogens and increases the likelihood that one may developed x-form of cancer.

Let me tell you about scientific consensus. Before 1540 there was a 99% consensus that the sun revolved around the earth. In 1492 the consensus was that the earth was flat. I'm sure you get the picture.

Do you have a moment to speak about logical fallacies? I'd like to touch on the fallacies of appeal to authority, appeal to emotion, and my favorite ad-hominem.

There are two different definitions of "ice age", commonly we are considered to be in a interglacial period in the Holocene, so not exactly in a ice age.

However, glaciologists consider this to be an ice age because the ice sheets at the poles still exist. So it depends on what definition of ice age you're using.

The last glacial period terminated sometime around 20,000 years ago and the Earth took 10 000 years to undergo "deglaciation"(we can see today the dramatic melting of the Arctic and Greenland,and even the Antarctic,nothing to do with the rate of natural "deglaciation"which in previous epochs never melted the poles entirely, what is likely to happen in our times) and finally got into its interglacial phase.

I give you reason, that "smoking increases the likelihood of cancer", it does not always punish us with cancer in our lifetimes, sometimes long lifetimes, I believe given enough time, everyone who is frequently exposed to a certain amount of tobacco substances, would develop cancer, but this is just my pick.

Well before and still a long time after, 1492 the Western world was still theocentric (God as main concern), not anthropocentric (Humans as main concern), the religion/churches ruled the minds of those times men and women, of course there were many who believed the earth was round, and was not the center of the universe(including those who risked their lives,sailing into the Atlantic), but they were chased by the church(es), and often burned, science in itself was seen as an activity from the devil (i recommend "The name of the rose"a great movie about those times "science") the situation cannot be compared to the one we live today, with freedom to speak/question anything, with systemic methodical research about every matter, and constant flow of data.

If around 97% of climate scientists believe there is strong human hand in global warning, there is extremely good chances that there is, only by a miracle it would be something else, and I don´t really believe in miracles for that matter.

Sure, we can talk about logical fallacies, you go ahead.

I think you have interglacial confused with not being in an Ice Age, we most certainly are still in Quarternary Glacation period. Holocene just means we're in an interglacial trend within this Quarternary Glacation period.

It wasn't just the Western world who believed the earth was flat and that the Sun revolved around the earth, and Theocentrism is irrelevant. Making that more irrelevant is the concepts predate christianity. They weren't simply beliefs of the church. Regardless we're talking about the scientific community not the religious community. They didn't exactly force Copernicus to drink Hemlock like they did Socrates. Even so those are the two greatest examples... there are a plethora from Aether to the BCS limit of superconductors.. Expanding Earth?

You already likely know the fallacies that you, and the other committed, and the dangers of absolute statements. It was really just enough that they were mentioned.

Askerike wrote:

I think you have interglacial confused with not being in an Ice Age, we most certainly are still in Quarternary Glacation period. Holocene just means we're in an interglacial trend within this Quarternary Glacation period.

It wasn't just the Western world who believed the earth was flat and that the Sun revolved around the earth, and Theocentrism is irrelevant. Making that more irrelevant is the concepts predate christianity. They weren't simply beliefs of the church. Regardless we're talking about the scientific community not the religious community. They didn't exactly force Copernicus to drink Hemlock like they did Socrates. Even so those are the two greatest examples... there are a plethora from Aether to the BCS limit of superconductors.. Expanding Earth?

You already likely know the fallacies that you, and the other committed, and the dangers of absolute statements. It was really just enough that they were mentioned.

Now, I know what you mean, about "ad-hominem fallacies", should not have answered about the discord server, and thinking about it, the rash way I answered implied that I don´t trust you, that isn´t true, my most sincere apologies Askerike.
This "medicine" dizzies me, and then sometimes crap happens.

It will all be OK. I haven't taken anything personally, I hope no one has.... though I know sometimes it's hard to keep emotions in check for some people.

I was never trying to convince anyone, only expressing my reasonable doubt and lack of faith in political backed science. We're all aware it's nearly impossible to convince anyone of anything on the internet. So like I said, I never take it personal. But at the same time, I wont be discouraged from voicing my views.

All hail the new poll!

Askerike wrote:

Jötnar.

Hló Hlórriða hugr í brjósti,
er harðhugaðr hamar of þekkði;
Þrym drap hann fyrstan, þursa dróttin,
ok ætt jötunar alla lamði.

Looks like Icelandic.

Svenskis wrote:

the only one responsible for ruining her future and stealing her childhood is herself.

You mean her parents? She's clearly been indoctrinated from an early age. Swedish school and media probably didn't help either.

Crusader Kings 3 announced for 2020!

Svenskis wrote:

Ahh, shieeet, I almost crashed

You almost went to Whallhall, or better Valhala :)

It is a pity but our region despite far from dead, is slowly becoming inactive,and I have no solutions for the present situation.

As you know, I make polls for the fun of it, and for this region to show some life signals, but that is all.

Do you people wish for elections to the Delegacy?

It could be a great moment for the region, didn´t do it, in the beginning of this year, as I was not sure, if all people where behind such a move,and far from me wanting to impose anything.

Not that Abovie did a bad job,far from it, it is almost, if not impossible to stop this death spiral. :(