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Let’s try not to start another region breaking argument again. That’s what got us here. Well that and some videos.

Straona wrote:

Let’s try not to start another region breaking argument again. That’s what got us here. Well that and some videos.

I'm just trying to note that this "probation period" is fancy talk. There's seemingly no difference simply unbanning Jesia, if he breaks any more rules he'll get punished no matter if he's under probation or not.

Martyris wrote:

Yes, I didn't know it was the Governor's job to decide civil affairs and the Economic minister's job to enforce it. At this point, I manage foreign affairs.

It's because you can't do your job right.

Everybody deserves 1 warning and 1 ban.
You are warned for your first circumstance, and your second? Banned.

My philosophy.

Cauva wrote:

Yes I'm aware he's unbanned, I was trying to get an answer as to what probation period means.

All violations in the Constitution doesn't result in an instant ban-- take the time where Odinburgh and N.N.E. revoked Martyris' and my abilities on NationStates because of a disagreement. Odinburgh and N.N.E. didn't get banned, but rather a slap on the wrist.

If Jesia violated the Constitution during the probation period, then we bring up his previous ban and see that he didn't really try to change, which means the ruling will have to be made that Jesia stays banned.

Cauva wrote:

Okay, thank you. That's at least something. That's common sense, though.

That's what I would like to think-- but I've seen how some people are in this region.

Martyris wrote:

I gave Jesia a warning, he proceeded. He made two infractures. That is why he was banned. Also Scalesburg, you or Odin do not have the constitutional right to do my job. I have done my job competently, but as of now you are trying to undermine it. You are only clashing with me now because we conflict in our vote. You didn't say I was doing bad when I banned Jesia.

Wait your Rilandese?

Martyris wrote:

I gave Jesia a warning, he proceeded. He made two infractures. That is why he was banned. Also Scalesburg, you or Odin do not have the constitutional right to do my job. I have done my job competently, but as of now you are trying to undermine it. You are only clashing with me now because we conflict in our vote. You didn't say I was doing bad when I banned Jesia.

And you gave Jesia the right to appeal that ban, which you didn't immediately do-- I had to step in and do it.

Martyris wrote:

How are you to determine what this is? As Civil Minister, it is my jurisdiction to settle OOC disputes such as this.

OK and I forward this suggestion to you. Up to you to decide what a probation period is.

Odinburgh wrote:

We can up vote this among officers if need be but really up to civil affairs. Possibly you also as your the Com officer.

What does the Com officer have to do with this?

Martyris aka Rilandse is in jurisdiction to confirm what the probation rules are. Sorry for intruding. What I said on the period is revoked.

Odinburgh wrote:

Martyris aka Rilandse is in jurisdiction to confirm what the probation rules are. Sorry for intruding. What I said on the period is revoked.

That doesn't exclude the fact that he should ignore Constitutional rules when it doesn't follow his personal feelings. Jesia was ruled unbanned, and shall be unbanned. He used his right to appeal the ban and it successfully worked.

Martyris wrote:

Non-citizens do not have the right to start votes, It was said he could ask for one, but that doesn't mean if he asked me I needed to. I wasn't for appealing Jesia's ban, so why would I start the vote? This isn't me doing my job bad or being inadequate, this is due to people not reading the diction within Jesia's ban.

"It was said he could ask for one, but that doesn't mean if he asked me I needed to."
This isn't how the Civil Affairs position should be run. You shouldn't have a personal agenda. It's disgusting that anyone thinks this is okay.