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That is the typical non sequitor fallacy.
NO ONE argues that being a nationalist implies being blind to the problems and imperfections of your nation.
I did not argue that and no one argued that in this RMB so your warning is pointless.
It is simply a matter of priority. If you take the national interest to be the priority of statesmen, then you are a nationalist by definition. That's all.
There are words for what you describe like 'jingoism' or 'ultranationalism'.
Those ARE NOT the same as nationalism.
The fact that YOU associate it to nationalism is due to you being a victim of mainstream media marxist indoctrination.
Because CNN says it .......................doesn't make it true.
We have different words to identify different phenomena.
Perverting the very meaning of nationalism is just the preparatory step to destroying nations which is what The Left wants.
THEY don't get to police your words so don't let them.
United hispaniola, Libertad siempre, and The Pilgrims in the Desert
Are you familiar with nationalism as defined through the social sciences, specifically political science? The implications and outcomes of nationalism as a political phenomenon more often than not are unfortunately jingoistic, militaristic, and racist.
The word "nationalism" comes with a historical and sociological context beyond it's blanket dictionary definition.
Also, you should know that the mainstream Spanish nationalist movement is not and was not free of antisemitism and animosity towards Jewish people. While it did not end in genocide in Spain, it certainly was not free of anti-Semitic persecution.
Please, just because a viewpoint is "academic" in origin does not make it Marxist. We really cannot afford to conflate these things.
Academics come in all religious and ideological stripes.
I think people are missing the point, of course anything taken to the extreme is not good. Nationalism taken to the extreme is not good. Globalism taken to the extreme is also not good.
You need to balance them. Free trade can be good, depending on the circumstance, and protectionism can be good, depending on the circumstance.
While people are quick to point out the possible horrors of nationalism, which of course is tyranny, the horrors of globalism is also tyrannical, a global government would be more prone to corruption that is inescapable on a global scale.
For example, a globalist policy would be freedom of movement between different countries. In some contexts this can be good, depending on the compatibility of the participating countries. However, if there are significant disparities in development, safety, culture, and language, freedom of movement between countries is a bad idea. A nationalist policy of strict border control would be preferable in that context.
This is why freedom of movement within, for example, Great Britain, Australia, and Canada, all Anglophone countries of Anglo-Saxon character, would be a great idea, as these countries are compatible, this is an example of a more globalist, or internationalist, policy. However, freedom of movement between Greece, Turkey, and Syria, which are loosely associated through the Ottomans but are culturally, linguistically, and religiously incompatible, would be a disastrous idea, and this is where strict nationalist policies would be preferable.
Katholskur, The Sovereign Realist State, Qwertyl, Libertad siempre, and 1 otherThe Pilgrims in the Desert
I am deeply sorry that you attended a marxist university.
What you describe is patently absurd because there are no non-nationalist countries and the few that try, via ideologically driven projects, end up being far more aggressive despotic and destabilizing than regular old nations. Such projects are artificial and extremist: III Reich, USSR, etc
What you have been taught ...is a lie.
If you are an Antifa SJW, I suppose it does.
If you ever read a history book, it most certainly does not.
Not sure what you are referring to. Most spaniards are nationalist...............................
What 'movement' are you talking about?
Plenty of catholics were too, and many marxists are too, nowadays. So?
Long before the term nation was in common use, there was discrimination against jews.........
Nothing to do with nationalism, specifically.
Indeed, jews today are quite zealous of their nation. Are Israeli nationalists antisemitic too?.........................
It is not academic if it is not based on facts. It is ideological, at best.
When the Scotts were fighting for independence against England, I am certain that antisemitism was the last priority in their minds.......
No, not in the West, not since 1968. Most of the academia is leftist and most SOCIAL sciences are marxist.
Hi everybody, I'm glad to join such a pious region
United hispaniola, Katholskur, Fredgast, Qwertyl, and 2 othersCristero, and The Pilgrims in the Desert
And I'm glad to have you here!
Fredgast and The Pilgrims in the Desert
Ideology is a cosmovision, that try to explain the whole reality like religion, since the XIXth Century it is basically to most people a religion for atheist people, ideology driven people even made a SOCIAL INQUISITION on Social Media and internet, in fact it happens even here on NS, nobody expects The Left inquisition your "somethingphobic" (the actual "pagans" that must be purged.)
We are heretics on a world dominated by a materialistic religion, but contrary to the Catholic Inquisitions, you can't escape being burned saying that you repent, the post-modern inquisition burn you to the point of you needing to calculate what you say on all public space, it is a weird mix of 1984 and Brave New World on the worse aspects.
And to people that like RPG, Cyberpunk 2020 was right after all, except by the cyber augment part (the only good part of cyberpunk).
Even with a nightmarish scenario, we know that Mordor will lose in the long run, just don't take the damn ring, that was a subtle Christian message.
PS: I am not Dominican leaning, but I have thomistic influences.
PS2: My country was obliterated because I protested against Hagia Sophia being transformed on a mosque again, well in fact I said more awful things I said when I was expelled from here, that is why I named the new nation Prudentias, to remember me to stop having mental breakdowns that will end upon self-sabotage.
The name of my ancient nation? Atrides. Yes... Atrides is no more.
United hispaniola, The Sovereign Realist State, and Qwertyl
There is some seeds that will be thrown into bad land, like bricks, we must try people that are at least open to Christianity, and this means that if we got 1 person over 100 people, it's a victory considering the scenario.
Most people that were atheist, including me, became Christians not because of people proselyting. Most people find preaching really boring and pushing. I begun to study and converted, some of my ex-pagans (Wicca, pagan and atheist) friend I have converted studying calmly or studying on a despair, most people in fact get even far from Christianity when a person talks about accepting Jesus on a IRL talking, Snapchat or Whats App. Generally everybody thinks that this person is boring, we must help giving a suggestion and letting God and the person doing the conversion to Christ.
Philosophy escaped the marxist overtake of the university relying on logic, epistemology and going before the XIXth century, but the rest of humanities are clearly not searching for any truth, they just have being hijacked to become a mean for the end of whatever insanity The Left is thinking will made the world a perfect place, and they fight against each other too, the social inquisition is so cruel, that you have inquisitors accusing inquisitors for heresy on a total outrage culture.
In fact, they are just a bunch of hypocrite burning other people on internet or IRL with false moralism, to burn an heretic give you social points, get you friends, and you may burn more whateverphobic people together and think themselves as a modern version of holy warriors, keepers of light, morally superior people, when in fact they are just moralistic hypocrites wanting to look cool thinking they are morally superior to other people.
United hispaniola and The Sovereign Realist State
First of all as a quarter Greek man: ouch. We don't like remembering what the Ottomans did to our country (nor would we ever consider ourselves Ottoman or Turk) but yeah your remark on how those countries wouldn't get along is perfect. All three countries would flip out.
Edit: The fact a Greek person will usually not like to talk about the Ottomans taking over Greece is a perfect example of how violence just takes and takes. A few hundred years after we are free even and yet still Greece and Turkey have a beef. (I'm over simplifying but my point is violence of both parties is horrible and violence in general is horrible.) If you look at the history of the Balkans there is a lot of violence and hatred over ethnicity. It's sad. Yet forgiveness can do so much.
Second: Quebec would like to disagree about anglophone immigration to Canada. (I'm joking)
edit: Though I'll say that some family members have had some weird stories going into Québec.
Third: the way you define nationalism would be a synonym of patriotism, that being wanting the best for your nation. Nationalism as defined as that can be good.
My problem is that we have 2 definitions of nationalism. This is actually seen in many words.
Evangelization is not just people preaching in the streets. It's explaining our faith and proclaiming the good news. I once lived like an atheist (I still considered myself a Catholic but far from religious or Holy). As I studied the faith I became more interested once again.
That being said listening to, "Well if you don't go to Church and believe in God you'll burn in hell!" didn't do much for me. For a man that lives as if hell doesn't exist the threats of hell mean nothing. The only way Hell means anything is if your eyes are opened to the Glory of God and the Joy of Heaven.
That being said being taught of how bad hell is, is a good thing. For me it didn't start with learning about God, it was learning about how the world works. Slowly the layers were peeled back like an onion. The center of it all? God.
I'd consider teaching people about the faith to be Evangelization of a kind. Even just talking about different topics and showing how God works through different means is evangelization.
This being said the whole, "You need Jesus in your life young man!" doesn't cut it because a man who isn't sure if God exists and wants a rational conversation is going to laugh and walk away.
Like I explained, patriotism and nationalism are the same except one is based on love of land and the other on love of people. This is because some political identities such as the jews did not have a homeland.
The toxification of 'nationalism' was carried out by The Left because being internationalists, the saw it as the first step to abolishing traditional political structures and bringing about world revolution.
The current defamation of the term is just an old attempt to categorize any and all right-wing ideologies as intolerable.
Deplatform the right and then the only enemy left will be the centrists and those lack guts so they will be crushed by the marxists.
Awful news out of Beirut.
Oire, Katholskur, Fredgast, Thomas More, and 3 othersCristero, The Pilgrims in the Desert, and Terentino
It's me Quebec the cold. (That's a puppet I have.) I've actually never heard if Seveneves before. It looked it up and it seems a similar concept yet it's a different book (Regensis is part of a book series of which I have only read Regenesis and not any other one of the books in the series) also a different author.
I actually found the book a while ago but forgot that post I made. The books name is "Regenesis" by Eric Walters. I don't remember it being of a Christian mentality (looking back on a single page it's kinda atheist kinda but also asks questions about God) but there's quotes I love from it. I usually like books that have a good story and philosophical questions. (I honestly forget if this book does but I enjoyed the whole book and want to read it again so...idk maybe. I forget half the story. I just remember the good quotes and their context.)
This is probably one of my favourite quotes of the entire book (especially now during quarantine).
Before I type it I'll clarify that Billy is the leader of the station (not an expert in anything but general knowledge in stuff. Also he's a teenager, 16 year old I think, and he was a homeless poor boy of I remember correctly so he's kinda thinking, "Uhhh...how do I run the space station?") Christina (I honestly forget what she does except I think she...Imma not spoil the book). Sheppard is the old scientist man (also supposed to be a wise man archetype)
The middle of page 34 to. Page 35 of Regenesis by Eric Walters: "'Einstein said that God does not play dice with the universe,' Christina said.
Billy had no idea what that mean, but Sheppard spoke. 'For a purported Atheist, Einstein certainly spoke a great deal about the role of God in the universe. I tend to listen, though, when one of the three greatest minds in the history of mankind speaks.' 'Who do you think the other two are?' Christina asked. 'While there is no consensus about the exact ranking most would nominate Einstein and Leonardo da Vinci for the first two, and our very own Joshua Fitchett as the third.'
'Joshua got us into space and is saving humanity, so I don't have much question about who should be in first place,' Billy said, defending his mentor. 'Could either of the other two have done that?'
'Certainly not,' Professor Sheppard said, 'although Joshua had the benefit of building upon their genius. Would space travel have been possible without the work of Einstein?'
Billy didn't know what to say. So much of this was beyond his knowledge.
‘So if there is a God, you believe he sent the asteroid? You must think God is pretty cruel to set in motion a piece that will exterminate almost all life on the planet,’ Billy said. ‘Perhaps He was being kind. If this asteroid had hit even one hundred years earlier in the history of man, a very short history, then not only would we have been unaware of it’s approach, but we would have been completely unable to avoid that extinction. Now, look around,’ he said gesturing to the ship. ‘We are alive. A little piece of life. Noah’s ark with a chance to restart humanity.’ ‘That’s a small consolation to the billions who are dead, or will be soon.’
‘It wasn’t meant as consolation. But think about it. For the first time in the history of mankind, the vast majority of the inhabitants stopped trying to kill one another and started working together to try to survive.’ ‘Unseccessfully tried to survive,’ Billy said. ‘We are that success. We are alive. There are people on the planet who are alive. The way we were going, our end was going to be just as certain without the asteroid. Whether it was through nuclear warfare or environmental disaster, our time on the planet was limited. Did you know the time of the dinosaurs lasted thirty thousand times longer than as the time of man?’ ‘I didn’t know that,’ Billy admitted once again realizing that there was much he never learned.”
I think back to this and I think, “Man as weird and kinda atheistic this quote is in context it still made me think about God, if not for a split second, when my doubts in Him were happening. This quote in itself is an example, for me at least, of what it is trying to say. God helps us through life, He gives us what we need to go through life. He doesn’t put us through life without the necessities to go through it.
Furthermore another thing I love about this quote is that it speaks of Noah’s ark. Specifically I could compare both Noah’s Ark and the Space ship/space station the characters live in to the Church. All around us is death. It’s inevitable. Death doesn’t care to be picky. Good or bad, everyone dies. Yet Jesus died so that we may be free of sin and death and He rose again on the Third day. He founded the Church, it is like an Ark, protecting us from sin and death by leading us to Jesus just as the Ark sailed the water that had flooded the Earth until the flood had stopped and Noah and his family were safe. It is like the spaceship the characters are in. They ride their way to the space station where it is safe from the asteroid. (Let’s assume the space station is completely safe because I don’t want to spoil the book) So too is the Church like that space ship. We go through life and we are on a journey away from the place of sin and death and towards Heaven just as that spaceship is traveling away from the Earth as the asteroid hits it and towards the space station.
P.S. This took me an hour to write because I had to read the book pages and type at the same time. lol
Edit: I forgot to put the quote so I'll fix this post later.
As a Christian, well, if you see my nation it is a mix of Christianity and sci-fi, but this time without hate speech and the top 1% on corruption and black market, well what you said is cyclical, despite there will be a certain point where there will be the "final battle", but we are still far from that.
On the Middle Ages the Roman Civilization and his remnants were being destroyed by it's inhabitants themselves and outside factors, a bunch of people, most of them monks build vaults of knowledge and self-educated themselves to keep the heritage of civilization alive, that's why we still have Greek and Latin literature today, the same happened with ethics.
Well, we are the remnants ship, God have chosen us and we accepted, not because we are superior or special, we are as capable of being jerks like other human beings, but somebody must do the work and for some reason we choose the hard way, because it really su**s on society being a Christian with everybody judging you.
Qwertyl and The Pilgrims in the Desert
Oh, I see I am not the only sci-fi nerd here, probably you know the book, it was made by a Catholic and it is heavily Catholic without moving the sci-fi element away.
A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter M. Miller Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz
Just to resume some of the points of the books that is being clearly being the subject here.
Yes there is nuns in a starship on a post-apocalyptic scenario and it's not the Sisters of Battle of Warhammer 40k.
Please pray big for me, I took a difficult exam today and I'm praying for an A.
Fredgast, Qwertyl, and Cristero
Very true. The ship (the Church) stays on course yet sometimes the people on board can do some really unadvisable things to make it harder upon themselves.
I've never read this book before but I glanced over the wikipedia article and it's looks pretty cool.
I don't really know what makes me more of a nerd: my love for sci fi or my love for real world history.
Qwertyl and Prudentias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KRzRUKEjEo
Wo’ batlhvaD!
I don't liked the way they portrayed the Klingons on Star Trek: Discovery, it is not just the appeareance, it's their culture, they were basically portrayed as The Left stereotype of Trump radical supporters, it was disgusting and made me stop considering myself a trekker.
Lol. I let an AI have access to my economy in an attempt to boost scientific advancement and HDI. Instead, it eradicated my strong capitalistic history and replaced it with central planning/socialism... -_- Should've seen that one coming. Issues can frequently have strange effects.
I am also classified as a "Left Wing Utopia" while also having the second lowest tax rate in the region. Lol.
The Sovereign Realist State, Sundiata, Qwertyl, and The Pilgrims in the Desert
An AI also took over my economy too.
You're not alone, brother.
My economy is 99% made up of the IT industry so it completely makes sense for there to be an AI takeover.
That's what they do. They build up characters and civilizations only to abandon everything in some future ridiculous film or series. But it's their car they can wreck it all they want.
What's unforgivable is the same clowns were given the keys to star wars.
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