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Nova tyrnavia wrote:Why do people support her then? Whats her selling point?

Her big selling point is that France should not be Islamized. This view of France supposedly adopting "Dieu, l'Islam, l'obéissance" comes from the bad apples that try to degrade French society, while disregarding the immigrants who do try to understand French culture.

Nova tyrnavia

France Europe wrote:Immigration, Islam, security, border control, anti-EU. She shouts loudly and uses shock phrases.

The State of Hejaz wrote:Her selling point is that France should not be Islamisized. This view of France supposedly adopting "Dieu, l'Islam, l'obéissance" comes from the bad apples that try to degrade French society, while disregarding the immigrants, who do try to understand French culture.

I have nothing against religions but when I see french churches on fire and french muslims celebrating it... I can see why people support her.

Sheepiania, Penguinium, and The State of Hejaz

Nova tyrnavia wrote:I have nothing against religions but when I see french churches on fire and french muslims celebrating it... I can see why people support her.

Yeah. Thankfully, the Muslim youth aren't usually like this.

The State of Hejaz wrote:Her big selling point is that France should not be Islamized. This view of France supposedly adopting "Dieu, l'Islam, l'obéissance" comes from the bad apples that try to degrade French society, while disregarding the immigrants who do try to understand French culture.

Nova tyrnavia wrote:I have nothing against religions but when I see french churches on fire and french muslims celebrating it... I can see why people support her.

Marine Le Pen makes people believe that migrants are the big problem that is destroying France and Europe. She completely instrumentalises this. It is an absolute disgrace.
I didn't see any muslim celebrating french churches burning (maybe I'm wrong).

Sheepiania wrote:France Europe how much of a check does the legislature have on the Pm

The President is the Head of State and is above the government and the Parliament. The Prime Minister is a member of the party that has the majority in the National Assembly. The PM is the Head of Government, appointed by the President and is accountable to Parliament. The Parliament can overthrow the government.

Basically, the 5th Republic is a mix between a parliamentary system like Australia (or Canada, the UK, the Netherlands, ...) and a presidential system like the US.

If you have a look at the government website, you will see that the President does not appear, because the President is not a member of the government.
https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/composition-of-the-government

Nova tyrnavia

France Europe wrote:Marine Le Pen makes people believe that migrants are the big problem that is destroying France and Europe. She completely instrumentalises this. It is an absolute disgrace.
I didn't see any muslim celebrating french churches burning (maybe I'm wrong).

There was a lot of them filming themselves with the notre dame fire in the background, cheering it on, others celebrating in comments on boomerbook.

The State of Hejaz wrote:Yeah. Thankfully, the Muslim youth aren't usually like this.

Probably true since young people dont use facebook anymore.

Nova tyrnavia wrote:There was a lot of them filming themselves with the notre dame fire in the background, cheering it on, others celebrating in comments on boomerbook.

Maybe, but we can't say that all Muslims are bad just because a few are extremists. Beware of amalgams.

Penguinium

France Europe wrote:The President is the Head of State and is above the government and the Parliament. The Prime Minister is a member of the party that has the majority in the National Assembly. The PM is the Head of Government, appointed by the President and is accountable to Parliament. The Parliament can overthrow the government.

Basically, the 5th Republic is a mix between a parliamentary system like Australia (or Canada, the UK, the Netherlands, ...) and a presidential system like the US.

If you have a look at the government website, you will see that the President does not appear, because the President is not a member of the government.
https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/composition-of-the-government

Then why do we in America only hear about the president? I know Macron, hollanade (I can’t spell his name) but I can’t name a PM

Nova tyrnavia

France Europe wrote:Maybe, but we can't say that all Muslims are bad just because a few are extremists. Beware of amalgams.

All I said was that I can see why some people might support the woman because of that. Its the exact same situation as white cops hunting blacks in the US. Show one case of something like this and you get an entire movement focused on it, maybe a cultural shift too. Set the media on repeat and soon you have a disaster.

Penguinium

France Europe wrote:Maybe, but we can't say that all Muslims are bad just because a few are extremists. Beware of amalgams.

We should say the same with pretty much any culture.

Sheepiania wrote:Then why do we in America only hear about the president? I know Macron, hollanade (I can’t spell his name) but I can’t name a PM

There are several reasons: it is mostly the President who deals with foreign policy and represents France abroad while the PM deals mostly with internal affairs and spends time in the Parliament (the President does not even enter Pariament buildings). Also, since a constitutional reform came into force in 2002, elections to the National Assembly take place just after the presidential elections, which considerably reduces the role of legislative elections since the French often vote for the party of which the President they have just elected is a member. And so the Prime Minister will most likely be from the same party as the President, which reduces the stakes of the legislative election and the Prime Minister.

The current PM is Jean Castex. He is the second PM during Macron's term. He succeeds Edouard Philippe (2017-2020).

Sheepiania

France Europe wrote:There are several reasons: it is mostly the President who deals with foreign policy and represents France abroad while the PM deals mostly with internal affairs and spends time in the Parliament (the President does not even enter Pariament buildings). Also, since a constitutional reform came into force in 2002, elections to the National Assembly take place just after the presidential elections, which considerably reduces the role of legislative elections since the French often vote for the party of which the President they have just elected is a member. And so the Prime Minister will most likely be from the same party as the President, which reduces the stakes of the legislative election and the Prime Minister.

The current PM is Jean Castex. He is the second PM during Macron's term. He succeeds Edouard Philippe (2017-2020).

The Edouard Philippe name sounds familiar

Sheepiania wrote:The Edouard Philippe name sounds familiar

That's roughly what happened in July: https://youtu.be/ajFCNxA5AJ4

My apologies, the poll is now up.

Sheepiania and France Europe

The Prime Minister
We are very happy to announce clear regulation on the proxy regions of Liberty Democratic Alliance, such as the Senate and Debate Region. These regulations aim only to provide instructions as to how these regions relate to the main one. It does not intend to hinder their creation nor restrict governments from operating them, but to provide legal basis to their existence, as well as their maintenance and their disconnection from LDA, if it ever becomes necessary or desirable.

Purpose: to regulate the creation of Proxy Regions of Liberty Democratic Alliance, with the objective to orderly designate their standings towards the main region headed by the Founder of the Liberty Alliance.

Section I: Creation and Maintenance
1.1. Preamble:
Any Executive government is allowed to found and maintain a Proxy Region linked to Liberty Democratic Alliance, with an exception to duplicate regions or regions that serve the same absolute purpose of an already existing one.

1.2. Founder of the Proxy Regions:
1. The Founder of any region linked to Liberty Democratic Alliance has no political or legislative ties to the main region. Their purpose is to enforce the rules of the Proxy Regions and maintain the region's function. Hence, to control the Founder of any Proxy Region is not a privilege or an advantage, but a duty towards fellow members.
2. A Founder of a Proxy Region cannot be used as a WA controller of any registered member.
3. If the controller of a Founder is no longer able to maintain activity to keep the Proxy Region from ceasing to exist, they can give access to any member of Liberty Democratic Alliance and pass the responsibility to them.

1.3. Executive Actions:
1. Any modifications to the Proxy Regions must be made exclusively by the Executive Government. These include schedules, objectives, and rules for these Regions.
2. The Executive is allowed to rupture the link between a Proxy Region and Liberty Democratic Alliance, provided that a vote in the Lower House of Parliament is passed with a simple majority of members voting in favor.

Section II: Rules
2.1. Preamble:
Any Executive government may provide a set of specific rules, made available via Founder Factbook or Proxy Region RMB, which will be enforced in each Proxy Region by their Founders and appointed regional officers. If no specific rules are set, the general rules of the platform are applied.

2.2. Legal Issues:
1. The Founders and regional proxy officers must enforce the rules of each Proxy Region by exercising the Communications authority in the RMB. Their authority actions must be guided by the rules of the respective Proxy Region.
2. The Founders, regional proxy officers and members of Liberty Democratic Alliance cannot be prosecuted for their actions within any Proxy Region, except for the circumstances explicited below.
3. Exceptions to the clause above include:

    - Recurrence of misconduct: a member constantly breaks rules of Proxy Regions, receives multiple RMB suppressions and possibly bans, but continues to ignore warnings of Founder/Officers of Proxy Regions.
    - Officer/Founder abuse of authority: if a nation considers themselves persecuted, and/or they find that the officers/Founders are not enforcing the rules of a Proxy Region, they may denounce and call for the prosecution of these nations via the Liberty Democratic Alliance judicial system, so that the region may end their control over the Proxy Region in question.

4. Establishes the crime of misconduct as described in clause 3 of this section, which could render any member, officer, or Founder of Proxy Regions the banishment from the region or loss of authority in Proxy Regions, respectively, as declared, when appropriate, in a judicial sentence upheld by the Court.
5. The Founder of any Proxy Region must remove officers declared guilty of misconduct, under the possible penalty of having the Proxy Region unlinked from Liberty Democratic Alliance.

Section III: Unlinking
3.1. The Process of Unlinking Proxy Regions:
1. Any Proxy Region of Liberty Democratic Alliance can be unlinked from the main region, which translates the end of their purpose. The embassy to unlinked Proxy Regions with the main region must be withdrawn and its connection to the main World Factbook Entry removed.
2. Unlinking of a Proxy Region is an Executive order, which follows the procedure described in 1.3.2. of this law, with the exception below.
3. If a Founder of a Proxy Region is found guilty of misconduct, the Executive government must unlink the Proxy Region in question. Only after this process they may found another region with the same purpose, if the government decides to or any law demands so.

Read factbook


The law will be voted after its debate time in this parliament is over.
Thank you.

Sheepiania

https://i0.wp.com/www.weloveist.com/wp-content/uploads/abdulhamit-wilhelm.jpg?ssl=1

Omigosh, this is just so sweet.

The State of Hejaz wrote:https://i0.wp.com/www.weloveist.com/wp-content/uploads/abdulhamit-wilhelm.jpg?ssl=1

Omigosh, this is just so sweet.

2 men?

Nova tyrnavia

The State of Hejaz wrote:https://i0.wp.com/www.weloveist.com/wp-content/uploads/abdulhamit-wilhelm.jpg?ssl=1

Omigosh, this is just so sweet.

What is this unholy Ottoman Prussian alliance? Having EU4 flashbacks right now.

Penguinium wrote:2 men?

Yeah! 2 men being friends!

I just got my braces off!

Nova tyrnavia

Book = thrown. Told you they will throw an individual under the bus to save their a*ses.

Republic of Mesque wrote:The Prime Minister
We are very happy to announce clear regulation on the proxy regions of Liberty Democratic Alliance, such as the Senate and Debate Region. These regulations aim only to provide instructions as to how these regions relate to the main one. It does not intend to hinder their creation nor restrict governments from operating them, but to provide legal basis to their existence, as well as their maintenance and their disconnection from LDA, if it ever becomes necessary or desirable.
Purpose: to regulate the creation of Proxy Regions of Liberty Democratic Alliance, with the objective to orderly designate their standings towards the main region headed by the Founder of the Liberty Alliance.

Section I: Creation and Maintenance
1.1. Preamble:
Any Executive government is allowed to found and maintain a Proxy Region linked to Liberty Democratic Alliance, with an exception to duplicate regions or regions that serve the same absolute purpose of an already existing one.

1.2. Founder of the Proxy Regions:
1. The Founder of any region linked to Liberty Democratic Alliance has no political or legislative ties to the main region. Their purpose is to enforce the rules of the Proxy Regions and maintain the region's function. Hence, to control the Founder of any Proxy Region is not a privilege or an advantage, but a duty towards fellow members.
2. A Founder of a Proxy Region cannot be used as a WA controller of any registered member.
3. If the controller of a Founder is no longer able to maintain activity to keep the Proxy Region from ceasing to exist, they can give access to any member of Liberty Democratic Alliance and pass the responsibility to them.

1.3. Executive Actions:
1. Any modifications to the Proxy Regions must be made exclusively by the Executive Government. These include schedules, objectives, and rules for these Regions.
2. The Executive is allowed to rupture the link between a Proxy Region and Liberty Democratic Alliance, provided that a vote in the Lower House of Parliament is passed with a simple majority of members voting in favor.

Section II: Rules
2.1. Preamble:
Any Executive government may provide a set of specific rules, made available via Founder Factbook or Proxy Region RMB, which will be enforced in each Proxy Region by their Founders and appointed regional officers. If no specific rules are set, the general rules of the platform are applied.

2.2. Legal Issues:
1. The Founders and regional proxy officers must enforce the rules of each Proxy Region by exercising the Communications authority in the RMB. Their authority actions must be guided by the rules of the respective Proxy Region.
2. The Founders, regional proxy officers and members of Liberty Democratic Alliance cannot be prosecuted for their actions within any Proxy Region, except for the circumstances explicited below.
3. Exceptions to the clause above include:

    - Recurrence of misconduct: a member constantly breaks rules of Proxy Regions, receives multiple RMB suppressions and possibly bans, but continues to ignore warnings of Founder/Officers of Proxy Regions.
    - Officer/Founder abuse of authority: if a nation considers themselves persecuted, and/or they find that the officers/Founders are not enforcing the rules of a Proxy Region, they may denounce and call for the prosecution of these nations via the Liberty Democratic Alliance judicial system, so that the region may end their control over the Proxy Region in question.

4. Establishes the crime of misconduct as described in clause 3 of this section, which could render any member, officer, or Founder of Proxy Regions the banishment from the region or loss of authority in Proxy Regions, respectively, as declared, when appropriate, in a judicial sentence upheld by the Court.
5. The Founder of any Proxy Region must remove officers declared guilty of misconduct, under the possible penalty of having the Proxy Region unlinked from Liberty Democratic Alliance.

Section III: Unlinking
3.1. The Process of Unlinking Proxy Regions:
1. Any Proxy Region of Liberty Democratic Alliance can be unlinked from the main region, which translates the end of their purpose. The embassy to unlinked Proxy Regions with the main region must be withdrawn and its connection to the main World Factbook Entry removed.
2. Unlinking of a Proxy Region is an Executive order, which follows the procedure described in 1.3.2. of this law, with the exception below.
3. If a Founder of a Proxy Region is found guilty of misconduct, the Executive government must unlink the Proxy Region in question. Only after this process they may found another region with the same purpose, if the government decides to or any law demands so.

Read factbook


The law will be voted after its debate time in this parliament is over.
Thank you.

This law is now up for vote.

Penguinium

Ugh...I strongly dislike the taste of marshmallows. They taste like what I can only describe as an excessive amount of positivism and slightly gives me the desire to throw up.

sorry i just wanted to say that

Penguinium

https://youtu.be/hIJq79HsvuU
Food for thought

Supierland

Sheepiania wrote:https://youtu.be/hIJq79HsvuU
Food for thought

If what this guy says is true, the next couple of decades will be interesting, to say the least...

Sheepiania

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