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Region: The Leftist Assembly

Podria wrote:To be frank, this is simply how government works. There is a repeated and significant pattern of people volunteering to work with the government, and having channels and systems in place to maximise the efficiency and usefulness of this volunteer labour will make our government be able to use these volunteers best. Your argument could be extrapolated to "Why should we formalise embassy requirements?" or "Why should we formalise electoral processes?" or "Why should we formalise the founder?" and the answer to all of these questions and "Why should we formalise government volunteers?" is that is how governments work; they are a formal collection of people, processes, and goals that serve a community and work towards something.

Will it be more efficient and useful though? I don't really see how adding a layer of sign up in between the minister and the people they need help from will do anything but make the system more bureaucratic and inefficient for the ministers. furthermore, you're comparing apples to oranges here, the way ministers get help is by no means comparable to "the foundations of how we run this region" seems like one would be a lot more important to formalize than the other no?

Podria wrote:And the Volunteer Service Corps wouldn't change that; I wouldn't, as you put it,

It will though, creating this volunteer program inherently creates an expectation, whether that be official or cultural, that you can’t approach people to help you with certain things if they haven’t signed up with the volunteer program even if you think they’d objectively do better at it.

Podria wrote:I've already stated that I will not force any minister to use the VSC whatsoever, and I will also not force ministers who use the VSC to select in a random fashion. You're drumming up a lot of fear that I'm going to overcomplicate this or rule it with an iron fist or absolutely bungle this; what's actually happening is the equivalent of putting lines onto a road, allowing for more controlled and easy to navigate ways for volunteer work to get to government; not force anybody to use those roads if they don't want to.

As I said above, just because you don’t officially enforce a policy doesn’t mean that there won’t be cultural and implied expectations that come with having this volunteer program, it doesn’t matter if you don’t force anything on the ministers just having this will create that expectation. I’d also question the actual use of such a program even from your perspective if you plan on just letting the ministers completely ignore it and approach people who hadn’t signed up for it, what even is the point of it if they can do that.

Podria wrote:As I have said before; if we look specifically and only at the post of Secretary, I am not and will not contest the fact that he is more experienced than me given the fact that he has been Secretary (currently is, in fact) and I have not. I will, however, dispute the fact that if we look at governance in general that I am less experienced. Of course, comparing experience with a simple numbered system is tough because out government works in nuanced and ever-changing ways, and to say that I have X amount of experience while Dyl has Y amount of experience is a little absurdist, but numbers are a useful and easy to digest metric. Looking at raw time, I have spent a cumulative total of 427 days in TLA's government, of which I spent 176 as Speaker. This compared to Dyl's 264 days, gives me 163 days or 1.617 times more time in government than Dyl. While an argument could be made into quality of experience, and I will cede that there is no better experience for being Secretary than being Secretary, to say that the only thing that can qualify someone for being Secretary is previous experience as Secretary is once again, absurd.

as you yourself admit experience isn't just "I served x amount of time and dyl served y amount of time" it's also about how much you actually did during that time, and if we're going by that metric then I think dyl definitely has you beat out considering while he may have served for a shorter amount of time than you the sheer amount of stuff that was done during that time at the very least makes you two equals. by the logic of dyl served less time than you so therefore he is less experienced could also be made about me and antinios, if you really wanted to go by that metric you would have to say that I am more experienced than antinios (something I will very much deny and disagree with no matter what anyone says) or (not to criticize someone who isn't here to defend themselves but just for an example) using this you could also argue that by the end of my first term as MoCA that my predecessor was just as experienced as me (something that I don't think anyone, including my predecessor, would agree with).

with that out of the way, I would also like to bump an argument I made that you seem to have completely ignored. so I once again ask you how you intend to prevent this from happening

Definitely not Wasc wrote:who as we saw during the greylyn administration aren't experienced people who know what they are doing and the ministers can trust to do the best job, it was mainly inactive new nations who rarely responded to any request. going off of who actually signed up last time I'm pretty willing to bet one of two things will happen, 1. literally no one will sign up to join the program which happened for a few ministries, or 2. people will sign up and do literally nothing which happened to the rest of the ministries except for recruitment (and even then the people in recruitment were doing useless jobs that effected nothing).

New samon, Dyl, Antinios, Sauros, and 1 otherIdontknowium

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