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One would think that a Catholic would make the best president. However in Biden's case, I think his heart has been hardened like Pharaoh. You need not look further than his views on abortion - and if a bit of nudging was all it took then surely having been banned from or publicly refused receiving the Eucharist in not one but at least two separate Diocese would have been sufficient.
Here's a quote from him: “I’m prepared to accept that at the moment of conception there’s human life and being, but I’m not prepared to say that to other God-fearing, non-God-fearing people that have a different view.”
The core of his argument is that life does begin at conception, but it's perfectly fine for other people to murder babies because they don't believe that. Like an increasing percentage of the Church's population, he can claim to be Catholic all he wants, but he doesn't abide by Church teaching so his claim to the Church only serves to give actual faithful practicing Catholics a bad name. There's no room to pick and choose which core doctrines such as the right to life and the sanctity of marriage you want to follow or enforce. Those are the very definition of black and white.
Yes, but only with a true practicing faithful Catholic unafraid to enforce Catholic social teaching at the helm. Biden is none of those things.
Fredgast, Thomas More, Sundiata, Qwertyl, and 1 otherThe Pilgrims in the Desert
Thank God for giving victory to Andrzej Duda, a great day for Catholicism and for Poland!
Omensa, Sundiata, Qwertyl, Cristero, and 1 otherThe Pilgrims in the Desert
He is Pro-Choice on paper but he's simply doing what's necessary to win the presidency on the Democratic side. Once Biden is in the White House, I fully expect him to move in a more Pro-Life direction that's properly in line with church teaching.
Joe Biden will bend.
Joe Biden is not a progressive, he's an establishment candidate through and through. His campaign donors are the same as most Republicans in congress.
He's no Alexandria Cortez or Bernie Sanders; he's a neoliberal, like Obama, like Bush, like Clinton, like Reagan.
He's malleable, bendable, and willing to work with Republicans to repeal Roe V. Wade.
This issue doesn't impact his ability to repay his campaign donors.
You claim that he's an established candidate through and through, and you follow by saying he will change the core of his established history when he's elected. If that’s the case, I still don’t really want someone who claims to be Catholic being that two-faced. Bend or not, right now all we have to go on are his word, his campaign promises, and his voting history. I wouldn’t hang my hat on any of those things.
As it says not once but twice in the Catechism, the ends do not justify the means. Every vote he cast to uphold roe vs wade while a senator and every time he refrained from promoting Church teaching on abortion has darkened his soul a little further and should absolutely never be justifiable as a way to get into office. Very morally reprehensible to even consider.
United hispaniola, Thomas More, and The Pilgrims in the Desert
You literally expect him to try to sign an executive order to prohibit abortion? Or you expect him to introduce a national referendum on abortion? Or you expect him to press and fiddle with the Supreme court till it rejects it's previous findings on abortion?
A scumbag politician who claims to be 'Pro Life' and does nothing about it is doing nothing in line with church teaching.
[vomit] The establishment [/vomit]
The man supported the 2008 banking bailout. The most parasitic and cruel institutions on the planet were going to burn; and he rescued them.
United hispaniola and The Sovereign Realist State
Joe Biden has opposed abortion in the past, especially in his early career but there is no denying that he is an imperfect vessel. His later votes in preservation of Roe v. Wade were greatly misguided. However, there is still time to redeem his soul.
I suspect he played politics for many years, but regardless, there is still room for the Lord is in his heart.
While I don't agree with his means, I certainly agree with what seem to be his ends when you follow the entire trajectory of his political career.
Joe Biden, like Trump, like Obama, like Bush, is a neoliberal. However, unlike them he at least is a Roman Catholic.
He can be swayed towards life.
Canon laws 1398 and 1329 explain that anybody who receives an abortion receives a latae sentintae excommunication, and anybody who is willingly necessary accessory to an excommunication is also excommunicated. I would argue that Biden, who has voted in favor of abortion dozens of times, has no right to be considered Roman Catholic. Is somebody like that who you would really choose as your banner boy?
Certainly, I pray for the redemption of his soul. I pray he embraces the actual Church teaching and welcomes life into his heart. But I will not cast my vote on your he could be swayed, his heart has room, his soul can be redeemed. Persuasion goes both ways, so if he is as malleable as you say, that makes him an even worse candidate. Don’t side with the culture of death on the off chance someone has a miraculous change of heart.
To quote a good friend of mine, "When you get into politics you abandon your personal values. You sell your soul to get elected."
The hard road is the one of serving God. In a democracy where popularity wins, sometimes those who serve God either surrender and follow the crowd or they never get elected.
It's like what Socrates said, democracy only works if the people are wise and righteous. Otherwise we are a ship at the mercy of the waves because we elect the captain that yells the loudest, not the one navigating with the stars who is quiet. Therefore we crash upon the rocks never to arrive at the city we need to go to. Of course I like the virtues of democracy however I want to laugh when people think democracy is perfect. The Athenians sure thought so, and it was, if perfection is killing the wise in society (Socrates was far from perfect but compared to other Greek pagans he was wise).
Democracy is a popularity contest. If the people fell into a dark spiral of sin, so does the nation in a democracy. It doesn't matter if almost half the people are against something, after all Socrates was only executed by a small margin of voters who wanted him dead.
Even if the king wanted Socrates to live, either he risked rebellion or ordered the death of Socrates. The only difference here is that instead of one wise man we are discussing the fate of millions of babies.
The Republicans won't do as they say when it comes to banning abortion (Alabama excused from this discussion as an uncommon act for the Republicans of course) because they then lose that source of voters who are pro life. The democrats openly advance the march of evil that is abortion which further entrenches itself in the "law" of men which goes against the law of God.
Even in governing is a popularity contest because the more popular you are the more power you have. I hope Biden does sway to protecting life but if normal people are tempted to support abortion, how much harder is it when you feel like Atlas the Titan from Greek mythology, the weight of the world on your shoulders.
The only way we get out of this mess as nations is by the grace of God. By Christ, who did hold the weight of the world's sin on His shoulders.
But he’s pro-abortion
United hispaniola, Sundiata, Qwertyl, and The Pilgrims in the Desert
Did you watch the video, at all?...
No one says he is. He is simply manipulated and intimidated by the radicals and after he dies, so will Pelosi's choice, be.
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Yes, 'delusional' is the word.
United hispaniola, Sundiata, and Ecclesia Catholico Romanum
You seem to have a lot of faith in Joe Biden. If he gets elected, and promotes Catholic values, he won't be re-elected. I am sure he wants to be re-elected. I'm not saying he can't change but voting for him is a huge risk (though I am not American, nor old enough to vote so in the end, I can't change anything)
I think his main priority for now is keeping a pulse until he is 90....
Beatha, United hispaniola, Qwertyl, and Ecclesia Catholico Romanum
I see where you're coming from, but the United States is not a full democracy. The president is not directly elected for by the public due to the electoral college.
Gerrymandering occurs rather easily at the state and local levels, and we do not have public financing of elections. Money talks in American politics and voters can be swayed towards our cause relatively easily.
It's far easier under our system to pressure someone like Biden on abortion and accomplish great results for our church than it would be if the United States actually were a true democracy.
No. Like almost all American politicians, he's pro campaign donations.
Keep in mind all, I am not saying that Biden will end abortion immediately. I am saying that we can continue the progress our movement has made through him.
Joe Biden is certainly not the leftist he is portrayed to be.
It's also our responsibility as Catholics to put pressure on him. Our agenda as Catholics is multifaceted. At the moment, the complete compendium of our social teaching is losing ground. I do not want to take one step forward and two steps back.
We have to push Joe Biden aggressively on the subject of abortion. While the prospect may seem weak, I'm certain we will get results but we must hold his feet to the fire.
Keep in mind: I am not endorsing Joe Biden, nor do I endorse the respective agendas of the Republican or Democratic Parties as they both run contradictory to Catholic Social Teaching.
However, I do recognize the capacity of Joe Biden to serve as a vessel for the Lord and the need to push him towards the cause of life and the compendium of Catholic Social Teaching.
So unless you personally are a multi-millionaire, I don't see that happening. When was the last time you changed literally anyone's mind in a political debate? Because as this is shaping up, your body count can't be high.
Voting for abortion rights means he's pro abortion as a politician or extremely corrupt. Take your pick.
Maybe. Let's take a deeper look, shall we?
-On the major issues of sanctity of Marriage and saving lives of babies, the Republicans win. That alone should be enough to make your choice for you.
-In social programs, the Republicans believe that it is up to individuals to volunteer their time and money to help the less fortunate. You know what other massive organization also functions like that? Oooooh, the Church! Democrats take your God-given freedom to choose the good away.
-In immigration, the Republicans believe that you can enter the country as long as you do it legally. Democrats believe in totally open borders. As long as the laws regarding immigration are just, they both conform.
-Republicans want a market-driven minimum wage, Democrats want it regulated. Market-driven turns into a living wage because of worker demand, regulated causes more inflation.
-Both are pro-death penalty, so no contest there.
-Democrats tend to lean towards universal healthcare, Republicans believe it is more efficient privatized. Neither really lends itself to Church teaching.
-When it comes to Care of God's Creation, Democrats once again attempt to take the freedom to choose the good out of the equation. Republicans leave it up to the individual.
There's a clear winner to me in this equation. As JPII said, "Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what you ought." One party seeks to improve the world by empowering individuals to make changes for the good, and the other seeks to take the choice out of it, while also embracing the evils of LGBT marriage and abortion. I think I hit the big issues and most of the minor ones roll with the above thesis, let me know if you want to hear any more specifics.
United hispaniola, Sundiata, Qwertyl, The Pilgrims in the Desert, and 2 othersQeth-nasuwakt, and Disgruntled dominicans
I know, it's sad. The miracle though, is that we some how have publicly funded Catholic schools (though it's debatable whether you can call them Catholic; most kids are pro LGBT and abortion)
Omensa and United hispaniola
Sundiata
2 Corinthians 11:12-15 "And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds."
Mark 7:6-9 "And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”
And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!"
1 John 4:1 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."
Matthew 7:15 "“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
Titus 1:16 "They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work."
Thomas More and Sundiata
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