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A giant travesty for the lives of unborn children in the USA today, pray for America.

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Fredgast wrote:

A giant travesty for the lives of unborn children in the USA today, pray for America.

I just saw that, and all the mooks celebrating.

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Omensa wrote:

I just saw that, and all the mooks celebrating.

What's happening in America?

Edit: I just finished reading about what happened and all I have to say is that it is horrible. It makes me sick to think that people can just simply go about saying it's morally fine to kill a fetus. It's a living human being and I can't help but be frustrated when I hear people say different things like, "It's a clump of cells," or whatever else they come up with. By that standard I'm a clump of 30 trillion cells. Is it ok to kill me. No. A fetus is a human being, a zygote is a human being. Right from conception we are human beings. Just because you have more cells doesn't mean you are more human than another person. I'm sure Dwayne the Rock Johnson has more cells than me because he's taller and more muscular than me making him larger than me. Does that mean he's more human than me? No! It baffles me. By that argument you can apply that to any death and then where will that lead.

Quote, ""The result in this case is controlled by our decision four years ago invalidating a nearly identical Texas law," Roberts wrote, although he did not join the opinion written by Justice Stephen Breyer for the other liberals."

Another Quote, "In his dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote, "Today a majority of the Court perpetuates its ill-founded abortion jurisprudence by enjoining a perfectly legitimate state law and doing so without jurisdiction.""

Abortion is most easily founded on a falsehood that states that morality is found in whatever society wants it to be. Society wanted Jesus dead two thousand years ago and two thousand years later it still does.

This isn't to say that there aren't good people fighting against injustice and following Jesus. Just like how Mother Mary and St. John the Apostle were at the foot of the Cross when everyone else abandoned Christ there are people who follow Christ. What I am saying is that there were also thousands shouting a Pilate to Crucify Him and they mocked Him while He died on the Cross. This is a great example of why just because a majority likes something doesn't make it good.

The truth is that morality is based in God. Without God we have nothing and very much this includes morality. God is the source of all that is good. Truth is not subjective but rather objective. The sun does exist, the Earth is not flat, and abortion is a sin. These things are not subjective to whatever you want to believe it to be. I can't just walk into NASA and say the Earth is flat, give me money so I can do bad science because I believe the Earth is upside fractal with a hole in the middle because "it's my truth."

This decision shouldn't be made simply because, "We decided four years ago that we'd allow more abortion to happen in Texas." It should be made with the knowledge that God does not what his people to be killed, no matter what point in life, and have the wisdom to end abortion.

Here's the article I read:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/supreme-court-rules-uphold-abortion-rights-200622132250859.html

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Fredgast wrote:

A giant travesty for the lives of unborn children in the USA today, pray for America.

You can thank "Catholic" Chief Justice John Roberts

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I'm putting this in a spoiler because it's long. This is the first page of the Screwtape letters which I have started reading yesterday. It's a book about an older demon named Screwtape teaching his nephew how to bring a British man to hell. (Cheery subject am I right?)

MY DEAR WORMWOOD,

I note what you say about guiding our patient's reading and taking care that he sees a good deal of his materialist friend. But are you not being a trifle naïf? It sounds as if you supposed that argument was the way to keep him out of the Enemy's clutches. That might have been so if he had lived a few centuries earlier. At that time the humans still knew pretty well when a thing was proved and when it was not; and if it was proved they really believed it. They still connected thinking with doing and were prepared to alter their way of life as the result of a chain of reasoning. But what with the weekly press and other such weapons we have largely altered that. Your man has been accustomed, ever since he was a boy, to have a dozen incompatible philosophies dancing about together inside his head. He doesn't think of doctrines as primarily "true" of "false", but as "academic" or "practical", "outworn" or "contemporary", "conventional" or "ruthless". Jargon, not argument, is your best ally in keeping him from the Church. Don't waste time trying to make him think that materialism is true! Make him think it is strong, or stark, or courageous - that it is the philosophy of the future. That's the sort of thing he cares about.

The trouble about argument is that it moves the whole struggle onto the Enemy's own ground. He can argue too; whereas in really practical propaganda of the kind I am suggesting He has been shown for centuries to be greatly the inferior of Our Father Below. By the very act of arguing, you awake the patient's reason; and once it is awake, who can foresee the result? Even if a particular train of thought can be twisted so as to end in our favour, you will find that you have been strengthening in your patient the fatal habit of attending to universal issues and withdrawing his attention from the stream of immediate sense experiences. Your business is to fix his attention on the stream. Teach him to call it "real life" and don't let him ask what he means by "real".

Remember, he is not, like you, a pure spirit. Never having been a human (Oh that abominable advantage of the Enemy's!) you don't realise how enslaved they are to the pressure of the ordinary. I once had a patient, a sound atheist, who used to read in the British Museum. One day, as he sat reading, I saw a train of thought in his mind beginning to go the wrong way. The Enemy, of course, was at his elbow in a moment. Before I knew where I was I saw my twenty years' work beginning to totter. If I had lost my head and begun to attempt a defence by argument I should have been undone. But I was not such a fool. I struck instantly at the part of the man which I had best under my control and suggested that it was just about time he had some lunch. The Enemy presumably made the counter-suggestion (you know how one can never quite overhear What He says to them?) that this was more important than lunch. At least I think that must have been His line for when I said "Quite. In fact much too important to tackle it the end of a morning", the patient brightened up considerably; and by the time I had added "Much better come back after lunch and go into it with a fresh mind", he was already half way to the door. Once he was in the street the battle was won. I showed him a newsboy shouting the midday paper, and a No. 73 bus going past, and before he reached the bottom of the steps I had got into him an unalterable conviction that, whatever odd ideas might come into a man's head when he was shut up alone with his books, a healthy dose of "real life" (by which he meant the bus and the newsboy) was enough to show him that all "that sort of thing" just couldn't be true. He knew he'd had a narrow escape and in later years was fond of talking about "that inarticulate sense for actuality which is our ultimate safeguard against the aberrations of mere logic". He is now safe in Our Father's house.

You begin to see the point? Thanks to processes which we set at work in them centuries ago, they find it all but impossible to believe in the unfamiliar while the familiar is before their eyes. Keep pressing home on him the ordinariness of things. Above all, do not attempt to use science (I mean, the real sciences) as a defence against Christianity. They will positively encourage him to think about realities he can't touch and see. There have been sad cases among the modern physicists. If he must dabble in science, keep him on economics and sociology; don't let him get away from that invaluable "real life". But the best of all is to let him read no science but to give him a grand general idea that he knows it all and that everything he happens to have picked up in casual talk and reading is "the results of modem investigation". Do remember you are there to fuddle him. From the way some of you young fiends talk, anyone would suppose it was our job to teach!

Your affectionate uncle

SCREWTAPE

As I read this page I immediately notice two things. First was that Screwtape advises Wormwood to never let the British man think about objective truth. God always has objective truth on his side. Instead he advises wormwood to make sure the British man is surrounded by sensation and ordinary things. Make him think that truth is subjective. "Make him think that he is living real life without making him ask what is real." How beautiful then is it when we have some time alone, time to think about God and just listen to His word. Too often we are tempted to avoid this with distractions. Instead of pray we might watch tv. Instead of reflecting on the Word of God we might instead scroll through social media. We should try to have at least a few minutes dedicated to God each day. After all, I don't think any of us would like to be like the man who strayed away from God because he wanted some lunch instead.

Edit: When I mean a few minutes each day dedicated to God I mean praying and listening to His word. We should dedicate our whole day to God in everything we do, even chores and work.

Fredgast and Thomas More

Qwertyl

Fredgast wrote:

A giant travesty for the lives of unborn children in the USA today, pray for America.

I just read about it and that's horrible. America seemed to be better than most countries on matters like abortion but I guess not. Hope they don't become as bad as here in Canada though; here abortion is fair game until the baby is born.

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Qwertyl wrote:

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I just read about it and that's horrible. America seemed to be better than most countries on matters like abortion but I guess not. Hope they don't become as bad as here in Canada though; here abortion is fair game until the baby is born.

I literally can't think of a single political party here except (I think) the Christian Heritage Party that is pro life and is for protecting the family and they don't have any seats (even more hopeless than the green party).

That's why I'd say I have more hope that we can work in local communities to fix all sorts of problems, not just abortion. If even a single city were to stop abortion lives would be saved and that's a good thing.

I can't vote yet either way. I can just pray for those who are in office and that the person who gets elected next serves God.

I just edited my first paragraph and I can't believe I literally typed, "I can't think of a single political party here except (I think) the Christian Heritage Party." My english teachers would shed tears if they saw that. Yikes.

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The hooligans are now trying to topple the statue of St. Louis IX in New Orleans and even attacked people praying in front of it. St. Louis pray for us!

Christian Democrats, United hispaniola, Fredgast, Cristero, and 1 otherThe Pilgrims in the Desert

Qwertyl

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The Pilgrims in the Desert wrote:

I can't vote yet either way. I can just pray for those who are in office and that the person who gets elected next serves God.

Your right, but the only people who have a chance at winning who are somewhat pro life are the conservatives.

Edit: I cant vote yet too

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Qwertyl wrote:

Your right, but the only people who have a chance at winning who are somewhat pro life are the conservatives.

Edit: I cant vote yet too

Out of all the candidates Dr. Lewis seems the most pro-life in my opinion.

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The Catholic Agrarian Republic of Cristero

Abort the Court.

Christian Democrats, United hispaniola, Fredgast, Theokratiss, and 1 otherAmbrosius

Omensa wrote:

The hooligans are now trying to topple the statue of St. Louis IX in New Orleans and even attacked people praying in front of it. St. Louis pray for us!

The protests have started to get more and more fanatic. It was fine when they targeted Confederate statues but now they have started to attack historical figures for the more foolish of reasons. Wiping history wont solve anything.

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Sundiata

To all of the men here who didn't have the best relationships with their fathers, or maybe you didn't have a relationship with your father at all: don't forget the example of God the Father. You will be a better man than your earthly one.

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Cristero wrote:

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The protests have started to get more and more fanatic. It was fine when they targeted Confederate statues but now they have started to attack historical figures for the more foolish of reasons. Wiping history wont solve anything.

It's even more crazy when they start talking about toppling statues of Jesus. I've heard of stories of people saying statues of Jesus perpetuate white privilege and racism. I can't wrap my head around that. That's literally the opposite of what we believe in when it comes to race. My ancestors were gentiles before europe became Christian. If Jesus was racist I'd be burning in hell before I even existed. Interestingly enough it reminds me of the French revolution (why did my people do such vile things!) tearing down statues of St. Joan of Arc and defacing Notre Dame.

Historically speaking the French revolution isn't as great as people think. The most convicting story I heard of is of some nuns who were executed because the French revolutionaries didn't want the monastery there and didn't want them wearing religious habits. If memory serves me correctly the story says that the crowd was unusually quiet (expected when your government is literally executing peaceful nuns) and the only sound during the execution was the nuns singing "Veni Creator Spiritus" until they all were executed. I pray we never have anything like that again though I know in other countries it very well may be the case that it is. God bless the Catholics who risk their lives in countries that still persecute Christians violently.

Also I actually find it funny that back when I thought the French revolution was good I thought all monarchies were tyrannies. I never did think of the fact that Queen Elizabeth II is my Queen since she technically rules Canada. I was one strange lad some years back. (But Jesus is King of Kings. He is above all.)

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Qwertyl

The Pilgrims in the Desert wrote:

I'm pretty sure they also burnt down monasteries and killed an abundant number of monks. I agree with you that monarchy isn't nesserarily bad (but I often wonder why queen Elizabeth has more power in Canada then our prime minister).

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Qwertyl wrote:

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I'm pretty sure they also burnt down monasteries and killed an abundant number of monks. I agree with you that monarchy isn't nesserarily bad (but I often wonder why queen Elizabeth has more power in Canada then our prime minister).

I always thought it was more like equal power (also the governor general usually does her job unless she's in Canada but then again he's just a representative of the Queen.) The democratically elected can suggest a law and Queen Elizabeth (or the governor general representing the Queen) has the final say as to whether or not it will actually become a law.

Over all Canada had (and still has) a nationalism based on supporting the British and not becoming part of America

The first two things when a Canadian complains about America that I always hear is that America allows more guns (and some people have said to me that America is a wild west type of place) and that we have "free" healthcare which those Americans are fools for not having. Personally I'm somewhat for government healthcare to support those who can't afford it (and I understand the benefits in that regard however "free healthcare" increases taxes, can become corrupt, and could even target Catholic hospitals to do immoral things) but I'm also somewhat for private healthcare for those who can afford it even though it comes with it's own problems. So I guess I support both even though that too has pros and cons.

, when it first united so that might be why we still give the Queen so much power. After all we are technically still a dominion, just an extremely independent dominion. We're like Greenland, just more British (with French guys) and more independence and we pretend to be like America while also having a love/hate relationship with America. Also our population isn't 100 and we have maple syrup coursing through our veins unlike the British who have tea in their veins.

True story, back when we were young kids my American cousin once asked (it was an actual question) me if I rode polar bears to school and if my igloo is near Alaska.

I don't have an igloo and I think the first person to ride a polar bear was probably the last, or that person is Russian. (Yes I just included a Russian stereotype about riding bears after just telling a story about a Canadian stereotype about riding bears but there were actually people who spray painted a polar bear with a WW2 tank label in Russia. If the Russians did it I'm sure there's some Canadian whose done crazy stuff like that.)

They found the polar bear before it died because it couldn't get food because of a lack of camouflage if I remember correctly. I think it was fine because they spotted it (how could you not when you just see a giant WW2 tank logo in a field of white)

Edit: The more I think about it... You are absolutely right about Queen Elizabeth having more power. You have a couple hundred people controlling half of the process of making laws and Queen Elizabeth (and her representative) have the other half. She literally controls half the power of the parliament (and can dissolve the other half). It's not equal power (I've just always thought of it that way). It isn't necessarily bad though, but the short answer of why the monarch is so powerful in Canada is that we don't want to be part of America (we love you guys but we don't want to be a part of your country) so we let Britain essentially give us more freedom while still guiding us. Then we never really changed anything after that.

I joke about Canada having a love/hate relationship with America but really Canada and America are buddies just like America and Britain are (back then they weren't though just as the British colonies in modern Canada and the USA declared war in 1812 but we got over that

  Essentially in 1812 Canada was part of Britain and the USA wanted their land so they invaded and it was the most pointless war imaginable. Almost no border changes at all. Canada did burn the white house down though (maybe a different war but I'm pretty sure it's 1812 but I know Canada did burn the white house down once). Then we got over that and slowly became allies with America and went crazy in WWI. We literally defended what was left of Belgium as the Germans unleashed the first gas attack in history. That and the Scottish who were called ladies from hell because of their kilts. 

  ), we just also have some differences that we complain about sometimes.

Second edit: I found the wikipedia article on Canada burning the White House, apparently during 1812 the British were attacked in Upper Canada (which is modern day Ontario) so the British (Canadians before Canadians were a thing) occupied Washington DC for a day and just started burning stuff including the White House. Now we view America as one of our most important allies and good friends. Two centuries does a lot.

Qwertyl and Cristero

Happy Canada day to my fellow Canucks!

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